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    Last edited by Chris O'Leary; 12-18-2008, 12:35 PM.
    Hitting Coordinator for Harris-Stowe State University in St. Louis.

    I also work with the pitchers who are dealing with injury problems.

  • #2
    You always claim to have a friend who's Epstein Cert.... Go ask him and stop creating your strawman arguements.

    btw. I worked with my 9 year old on the Epstein drills exclusively over the winter, and between rec and travel, he has only K'd 4 times all year (over 50 ab's). He pounds the ball and coaches from other teams that have never even seen him hit tell thier fielders to back up.

    I've seen clips of your son's swing, maybe you should invest in some of Epsein's stuff?

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    • #3
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      Last edited by Chris O'Leary; 12-18-2008, 12:35 PM.
      Hitting Coordinator for Harris-Stowe State University in St. Louis.

      I also work with the pitchers who are dealing with injury problems.

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      • #4
        Chris
        I'm just now wading through the Epstein books and dvd's so please don't take this as gospel. What I do recall Mike writing, however, is that he breaks out "style" from "mechanics". How the elbow slots pre-launch is an element of "style" for him (he gives Julio Franco as an extreme example) and says that as long as the arm tucks in to the ribs at swing launch there isn't a problem in "mechanics".

        He also says, repeatedly, that he does not say that folks can't hit productively using other mechanics or that they are "wrong" for using them, just that he obviously has a preference for his method.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by 1chapterahead View Post
          You always claim to have a friend who's Epstein Cert.... Go ask him and stop creating your strawman arguements.

          btw. I worked with my 9 year old on the Epstein drills exclusively over the winter, and between rec and travel, he has only K'd 4 times all year (over 50 ab's). He pounds the ball and coaches from other teams that have never even seen him hit tell thier fielders to back up.

          I've seen clips of your son's swing, maybe you should invest in some of Epsein's stuff?

          Wow...that was a little "uncalled for". Chris didn't say he had "a FRIEND who was Eptsein Certified", he said one of his players was seeing a guy who is.
          If you don't like Chris, or what he brings to this site, fine. But this site is about INFORMATION. Maybe Chris probably already even knows the answer to his question, but someone new to this site may not. It is in THEIR interest that we post "helpfully".

          Never seen Chris's kid's swing, maybe he does need some Epstein help - but that is totally beside the point and off the topic at hand.
          "Coaches should teach people to play better baseball, not teach baseball to make better players."
          "In the Little League manual it says 'Baseball builds character' - that is not true. Baseball reveals character." - Augie Garrido

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          • #6
            Originally posted by StraightGrain11 View Post
            Wow...that was a little "uncalled for". Chris didn't say he had "a FRIEND who was Eptsein Certified", he said one of his players was seeing a guy who is.
            If you don't like Chris, or what he brings to this site, fine. But this site is about INFORMATION. Maybe Chris probably already even knows the answer to his question, but someone new to this site may not. It is in THEIR interest that we post "helpfully".

            Never seen Chris's kid's swing, maybe he does need some Epstein help - but that is totally beside the point and off the topic at hand.
            Please don't preach to me until you read Chris's own words: http://baseball-fever.com/showthread...28#post1178428

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            • #7
              I think high level hitters are "good slotting"- where the back elbow is dropping down with the back scapula depressing and is connected to rotation. Whereas "bad slotting" is the back elbow dropping independently- ie using the arms to drag the bat.
              If you start with the back elbow pre slotted down, you may not slot and drag the bat as much, but you may not get the advantage of the back scap unloading from a more loaded position.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 1chapterahead View Post
                You always claim to have a friend who's Epstein Cert.... Go ask him and stop creating your strawman arguements.

                btw. I worked with my 9 year old on the Epstein drills exclusively over the winter, and between rec and travel, he has only K'd 4 times all year (over 50 ab's). He pounds the ball and coaches from other teams that have never even seen him hit tell thier fielders to back up.

                I've seen clips of your son's swing, maybe you should invest in some of Epsein's stuff?
                First of all, 9 year olds can have plenty of bat drag and hit the ball well. The plural of anecdote is not data.

                Secondly, your ad hom attacks make you look vindictive and insecure.
                Owner of Driveline Baseball - Seattle, WA

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                • #9
                  Chris how long has this kid been seeing this (certified Epstein teacher?) Is he really certified by Epstein if he is he will be on the Mike Epstein website. As far as the elbow slotting early, if this kid has only a couple of lessons he will have his elbow slotted early. The reason when Epstein students first start they take away all the personal flavor if you will, if they stride they take it away, the bat is put on the shoulder,They will keep the front elbow up so it will form a box. They do this so they can consentrate on learning the swing. Depending on the kid and how will they are learning the system after 4th or 5th lesson they will add the personal flavor back in. So if the kid strided before he is allowed to stride again, if he wanted to hold his hands up high or the back elbow is away from the body he can as long as the absolutes are met. I hope this helps. If you want you can pm and I can go into greater detail.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Chris O'Leary View Post
                    As I said before, I don't know if the problem is with what Epstein is teaching or with modifications my friend is making to Epstein's system. Some people around here seem to know what the pure Epstein system looks like, so I figured I should ask them.
                    You need to quit attacking Epstein. My son has almost 40 at bats this year as a 7yr old playing in LL minors with 9/10 and not 1k and the 3rd best BA in the division. Your guy is not an Epstein guy, we already went over this. in a few of your other Epstein bashing posts.

                    cally
                    Last edited by Jake Patterson; 05-30-2008, 06:42 PM.

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                    • #11
                      I don't understand why you all argue about this. All of these hitting "gurus" teach basically the same thing, just worded differently.
                      See ball, hit ball.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by kls_hittingacademy View Post
                        Chris how long has this kid been seeing this (certified Epstein teacher?) Is he really certified by Epstein if he is he will be on the Mike Epstein website. As far as the elbow slotting early, if this kid has only a couple of lessons he will have his elbow slotted early. The reason when Epstein students first start they take away all the personal flavor if you will, if they stride they take it away, the bat is put on the shoulder,They will keep the front elbow up so it will form a box. They do this so they can consentrate on learning the swing. Depending on the kid and how will they are learning the system after 4th or 5th lesson they will add the personal flavor back in. So if the kid strided before he is allowed to stride again, if he wanted to hold his hands up high or the back elbow is away from the body he can as long as the absolutes are met. I hope this helps. If you want you can pm and I can go into greater detail.
                        To each his own.

                        From my vantage point a lot of issues can be traced back to improper lower body mechanics, so I tend to stress getting this correct first.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Chris
                          At set-up he looked kind of like this...


                          Kind of? (I have my doubts, but you've seen him) Can't imagine someone letting any student start from that position unless you're pitching to him from out of a tree.

                          Here is one Epstein student that looks "kind of" different from that goofy picture posted.
                          Epstein Student.bmp

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 1chapterahead View Post
                            Please don't preach to me until you read Chris's own words: http://baseball-fever.com/showthread...28#post1178428
                            I appologize for being wrong about "the friend".
                            Maybe they're not friends anymore...?
                            "Coaches should teach people to play better baseball, not teach baseball to make better players."
                            "In the Little League manual it says 'Baseball builds character' - that is not true. Baseball reveals character." - Augie Garrido

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                            • #15
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                              Last edited by Chris O'Leary; 12-18-2008, 12:35 PM.
                              Hitting Coordinator for Harris-Stowe State University in St. Louis.

                              I also work with the pitchers who are dealing with injury problems.

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