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  • Nater44
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    Originally posted by Jake Patterson View Post
    There are reasons that make sense. The above would fall in that category. Safety is another. We had a young man who hit 26 HR's in our LL one season. The only reason why he didn't hit 50 was because he was intentionally walked a great deal due to safety. He now plays for the Mariners' organization.
    Who is that guy Jake?

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  • Jake Patterson
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    Originally posted by shake-n-bake View Post
    When I coached a AAA 12u team (mostly 9 and 10 year olds), on a couple of occassions I asked to intentionally walk the batter with a runner on 2nd and 2 outs to set up a force at 2nd and 3rd as well as at first.

    Sure, you'd like to have your kids be able to go the long way to first, but in reality a lot of ground balls hit to the left side of the infield are infield singles or E-5 and sometimes E-6s on the throw. You don't necessarily have to issue the intentional walk. Employing the same strategy, you could have your 3B or SS hold the runner @ second and not throw to first (or allowing the runner to advance to 3B or possibly score on an overthrow). That however, in my mind, makes the IBB the lesser of two evils.

    Obviously, the game situation, your pitcher, and some other things come into play. I wouldn't advocate doing that if we were in a favorable position on the scoreboard both in terms of runs and innings to play. You certainly want to talk with the kids and tell them why you're doing it and how it changes more into a strategy executed with less than 2 outs, to set up a double-play as they get older and more skilled.
    There are reasons that make sense. The above would fall in that category. Safety is another. We had a young man who hit 26 HR's in our LL one season. The only reason why he didn't hit 50 was because he was intentionally walked a great deal due to safety. He now plays for the Mariners' organization.

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  • shake-n-bake
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    Intentional walks are sometimes under used....

    When I coached a AAA 12u team (mostly 9 and 10 year olds), on a couple of occassions I asked to intentionally walk the batter with a runner on 2nd and 2 outs to set up a force at 2nd and 3rd as well as at first.

    Sure, you'd like to have your kids be able to go the long way to first, but in reality a lot of ground balls hit to the left side of the infield are infield singles or E-5 and sometimes E-6s on the throw. You don't necessarily have to issue the intentional walk. Employing the same strategy, you could have your 3B or SS hold the runner @ second and not throw to first (or allowing the runner to advance to 3B or possibly score on an overthrow). That however, in my mind, makes the IBB the lesser of two evils.

    Obviously, the game situation, your pitcher, and some other things come into play. I wouldn't advocate doing that if we were in a favorable position on the scoreboard both in terms of runs and innings to play. You certainly want to talk with the kids and tell them why you're doing it and how it changes more into a strategy executed with less than 2 outs, to set up a double-play as they get older and more skilled.

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  • digglahhh
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    Nevermind...

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  • Jim W.
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    Originally posted by fredbio View Post
    What do you guys think about a coach that issues an intentional walk to a batter in a 9-10 year old rec club league? I say that is a bush league move in a rec club league.At this level you let the kid hit.You do not take the bat out of his hands.

    I don't know I would go as far as to say it is "bush", I just wouldn't do it at this age. JMO

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  • fredbio
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    At the 9-10 year old rec club level there should be no intentional walks.It was the bottom of the 6th, runner on 3rd,2 outs and we were down 6-5.I just believe at this level you let the kid hit.This is not the major leagues or high school ball.Alot coaches get so caught up in winning that they forget that at this level its about the kids.Alot of coaches dont even teach the kids the fundamentals,they just teach them a couple of things that they think will enable them to win a championship.For example on the team my son is on all the coach does at practice is batting practice. He doesnt teach the kids how to run the bases,or infield practice,or how to catch a fly ball,or how to slide,or double plays,or cutoffs,or pitching,or how to slide.I am told at the travel level the kids get taught all of that and they start practicing around Jan.as a team.

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  • Jake Patterson
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    Originally posted by Nater44 View Post
    A good honest thought. I'd disagree to some extent, but that's ok. I just lump the learn and accomplish parts together a little more closely than you.

    Thanks for the contribution.
    I went to a Little League game last evening and spoke with a dad of one of the players and he expressed a similar position... After some discussion he stated, "I guess looking back on the process things become clearer than looking forward."

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  • cosmo34
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    Originally posted by Go Cardinals View Post
    I got intentional walked all the time as a 12 u in the playoffs. I also got walked intentionally in the playoffs at 14 u.
    Try your last at bat on senior night when your team is leading 11-3 in the 6th inning, with runners on second and third. Somebody didn't want to get 10-runned.

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  • Nater44
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    Originally posted by Jake Patterson View Post
    I would agree with this. Many here don't. What they accomplish on the small field matters not when compared to the big field, what they learn does.
    A good honest thought. I'd disagree to some extent, but that's ok. I just lump the learn and accomplish parts together a little more closely than you.

    Thanks for the contribution.

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  • Jake Patterson
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    Originally posted by Nater44 View Post
    Isn't there learning involved in being intentionally walked? Both offensively as well as defensively?

    If you disagree and the theory of play to learn holds true, shouldn't everyone get equal playing time up until they reach the big field?
    I would agree with this. Many here don't. What they accomplish on the small field matters not when compared to the big field, what they learn does.

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  • Nater44
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    Guess the worms aren't coming out that fast... Of course there are arguments on both sides, just wanted to hear someone sort their way through it.

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  • Nater44
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    Originally posted by mudvnine View Post
    got a good laugh over that one!

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  • Go Cardinals
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    I got intentional walked all the time as a 12 u in the playoffs. I also got walked intentionally in the playoffs at 14 u.

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  • shake-n-bake
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    My son is a 10 year old pitcher. He told me that he had thoughts of intentionally walking a batter a couple games ago. The reason was that the kid was very, very short with an almost non-existent strike zone. He had walked him (unintentionally) in his previous at-bat (only one of his 6 BB in last 12+ innings).

    Rules say that you can intentionally walk a batter without throwing the 4 pitches. He was the starter and was going 75 pitches, so his thought was if he was going to walk him anyway, why not just conserve the pitches and get to face at least one more hitter and get one out deeper into the game. The manager needs to make that call though and he knew that he wasn't going to go for it. He ended up striking him out (one of 33 K in last 12.1 IP). He also considered just hitting him with a pitch, but couldn't bring himself to it.

    There are 2 players in the league that he has hit multiple times. One broke his arm in PE a couple of years ago. He faced him twice that year with 2 outs and nobody on - probably just coincidence, but he took a fastball in the ribs on both occassions. The other got him in trouble at school for fighting (my son didn't start it). That kid ended up on his team. When my boy threw batting practice - he got nothing but 4 seemers in. This kid really deserved it. The principal of the school said he was a relentless bully, but my son still got in trouble for fighting back. I saw him grab another kid's hat that were just passed out, put it in the dirt, and grind it down with his cleets. Even though they are obviously not friends, my son always made him play catch with him. Then he'd throw as hard as possible which is much like an adult. His teammates absolutely loved hearing this kid whine about not throwing so hard and hearing my boy ask him, "what's wrong wuss, you afraid of the ball?" I guess what goes around, comes around.

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  • mudvnine
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    Originally posted by Nater44 View Post
    Isn't there learning involved in being intentionally walked? Both offensively as well as defensively?

    If you disagree and the theory of play to learn holds true, shouldn't everyone get equal playing time up until they reach the big field?

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