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  • Anything under 80 slow for high school. Is this a small high school in a rural area? Or is it 78-82 based on who is playing on the summer team? My son's team's pitching staff ranges from 80-85. The top pitchers in the area (large metro) are in the 85-88 range. A handful of top prospects are 90+. Given the coach says 78-82 is the norm your son should be in good shape for the future being at 75 at his age.

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    • Originally posted by tg643 View Post
      Anything under 80 slow for high school. Is this a small high school in a rural area? Or is it 78-82 based on who is playing on the summer team? My son's team's pitching staff ranges from 80-85. The top pitchers in the area (large metro) are in the 85-88 range. A handful of top prospects are 90+. Given the coach says 78-82 is the norm your son should be in good shape for the future being at 75 at his age.
      We are a 6A school but then again this is summer ball. Maybe all the players don't play in Summer? All this is new to me so we'll see how it goes as time goes on. I also thought HS players threw faster...maybe the coach was just trying to make me feel better about the pitching my boy would face....I don't know. Either way our first game is tonight and a lot of questions will be answered. Personally I'd like to see my boy bat against someone throwing 85+....lol he wouldn't but I would just like to see how he stands in the box. If it were me I'd be like that kid in "Little Big League" where he's standing outside the box and saying "throw me the cheese".....the umpire says get in the box son....lol....that would be me.

      Sparks

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      • Originally posted by Sparksdale View Post
        We are a 6A school but then again this is summer ball. Maybe all the players don't play in Summer? All this is new to me so we'll see how it goes as time goes on. I also thought HS players threw faster...maybe the coach was just trying to make me feel better about the pitching my boy would face....I don't know. Either way our first game is tonight and a lot of questions will be answered. Personally I'd like to see my boy bat against someone throwing 85+....lol he wouldn't but I would just like to see how he stands in the box. If it were me I'd be like that kid in "Little Big League" where he's standing outside the box and saying "throw me the cheese".....the umpire says get in the box son....lol....that would be me.
        Sparks,

        You’re a victim of the same hype, dogma, and hyperbole almost all of us who’ve been through the experience have been victim to. HS ball is such a dream for most players and their parents, they equate it to the ML, and that just isn’t so.

        There are some really quality pitchers in HS who are able to throw at high velocities, but as you go through the experience, I’m sure you’ll see the truth of the matter. And if you really want to see what’s happening, get hold of a “gun” and shoot every pitch at every HS game, including Fr and JV ball you can. I think you’ll be very surprised.

        I think its too bad too, because those knotheaded ideas have very likely kept many a player who could have had successful careers at least through HS, from even trying, or kept coaches with nutsy ideas from even giving players an opportunity to try, just because they had a preconceived number in their head.

        There’s something else I’ll wager you’re gonna find out in the near future too. HS pitchers with velocities in the 85-90 range will have a lot of success because almost every HS team has 3-4 players who just aren’t very good. But if they can’t command their offspeed stuff, they’d better be dang fast, because the better hitters will be coming to the plate drooling at the thought of getting an 85-90MPH FB with no movement on it.

        Just sit back and enjoy whatever happens, and do your best not to judge pitchers on their velocities alone. It’s a great experience as long as you accept it for what it is. HS ball not MLB.

        Good luck to your boy. He’s gonna be fine. Just trust him.
        The pitcher who’s afraid to throw strikes, will soon be standing in the shower with the hitter who's afraid to swing.

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        • But if they can’t command their offspeed stuff, they’d better be dang fast, because the better hitters will be coming to the plate drooling at the thought of getting an 85-90MPH FB with no movement on it.

          These pitchers usually succeed in high school because there are only three or four hitters in a good lineup who can handle them. It's not like they're going to get a hit every time up. Then these pitchers get recruited by D1 and D2 programs who like the velocity and teach them movement and an offspeed pitch. Pussers don't get recruited no matter how good their stuff. It's because at the next level hitters sit on the stuff because they know the pusser can't put a fastball by them.

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          • Weather:

            Our first Varsity game was rained out...talk about a bummer.

            When we got to the field the coach talked with my boy for a few minutes. He said he's going to move him from SS to second base. He told him that the starting SS is a Jr. and he would get almost all the playing time at SS. He told my boy he would get more playing time if he moved him to second base.

            My boy said he doesn't care, he just wants to play.

            I like my boy playing SS but the starting SS is probably one of the top players in our area....a kid that everyone has been watching for a number of years.

            Our next game (first game) will be Friday now.

            Sparks

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            • Originally posted by Sparksdale View Post
              Weather:

              Our first Varsity game was rained out...talk about a bummer.

              When we got to the field the coach talked with my boy for a few minutes. He said he's going to move him from SS to second base. He told him that the starting SS is a Jr. and he would get almost all the playing time at SS. He told my boy he would get more playing time if he moved him to second base.

              My boy said he doesn't care, he just wants to play.

              I like my boy playing SS but the starting SS is probably one of the top players in our area....a kid that everyone has been watching for a number of years.

              Our next game (first game) will be Friday now.

              Sparks
              This sounds like a great solution for your boy. Don;t ever tell Dustin Pedroia that second isn't as important as SS!!:bowdown:
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              • I like my boy playing SS ...

                It's time to stop looking at shortstop as the glory position and think in terms of what's best for the team. Nearly every kid on the high school varsity, exclusive of lefties probably played short at some point of the journey. There's only room for one. My son was the heir apparent at short this year after starting at third soph year. He was moved to center. His team won the conference. It's also increased his college prospects to be considered that versatile. At the end of the year my son commented, "I don't have one cleat mark or bruise on my body from sliding runners." My daughter made the same comment when she was moved from short to center in high school softball. I guess I should change by board name to F8.

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                • Originally posted by Jake Patterson View Post
                  This sounds like a great solution for your boy. Don;t ever tell Dustin Pedroia that second isn't as important as SS!!:bowdown:
                  Every position on the field is better and more important than the ones on the bench.

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                  • I debated whether to post tonight or not and in the end I decided.....

                    Since I started this thread a few years ago I decided to be open and honest and post the good with the bad.

                    Today was a very bad day....very bad.

                    We had our first Varsity game. This past week my boy has told me that his arm is a little sore....I didn't think that much of it at the time.... (Just to be safe he took the past 6 days or so off from throwing). The coach put my boy in to pitch in the 5th inning....he gave up 10 runs in one inning. His fastball was a good 10mph off its normal fastball. He was throwing in the low to mid 60's when his normal fastball is in the low 70's and occasionally 75+.

                    After the game he told me his arm hurts and he was afraid to tell his coach (he still hasn't told his coach).

                    It's the weekend of July 4th and we can't get him to a doctor for at least three more days.

                    Just to be blunt I'm nervous and maybe even a little scared. You people have no idea how much my boy loves baseball and I just hope his arm is ok. We'll see what the doctor says on Tuesday and I'm hoping he just has a tired arm or maybe some inflammation.

                    I've done dozens of hours of reading on the internet and I'm not a doctor so I won't even guess what's wrong. On the plus side he said his arm never popped and it only hurts when he throws....I guess that is a good sign I don't know.

                    At the very least summer baseball is more than likely over and I hope that will be the worst news.

                    My boy has always always always had a strong arm and it never ever ever hurts. So the thought of his arm hurting just breaks my heart and I pray that things will be ok.

                    Sparks

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                    • Originally posted by Sparksdale View Post
                      I debated whether to post tonight or not and in the end I decided.....

                      Since I started this thread a few years ago I decided to be open and honest and post the good with the bad.

                      Today was a very bad day....very bad.

                      We had our first Varsity game. This past week my boy has told me that his arm is a little sore....I didn't think that much of it at the time.... (Just to be safe he took the past 6 days or so off from throwing). The coach put my boy in to pitch in the 5th inning....he gave up 10 runs in one inning. His fastball was a good 10mph off its normal fastball. He was throwing in the low to mid 60's when his normal fastball is in the low 70's and occasionally 75+.

                      After the game he told me his arm hurts and he was afraid to tell his coach (he still hasn't told his coach).

                      It's the weekend of July 4th and we can't get him to a doctor for at least three more days.

                      Just to be blunt I'm nervous and maybe even a little scared. You people have no idea how much my boy loves baseball and I just hope his arm is ok. We'll see what the doctor says on Tuesday and I'm hoping he just has a tired arm or maybe some inflammation.

                      I've done dozens of hours of reading on the internet and I'm not a doctor so I won't even guess what's wrong. On the plus side he said his arm never popped and it only hurts when he throws....I guess that is a good sign I don't know.

                      At the very least summer baseball is more than likely over and I hope that will be the worst news.

                      My boy has always always always had a strong arm and it never ever ever hurts. So the thought of his arm hurting just breaks my heart and I pray that things will be ok.

                      Sparks
                      Sparks, getting him to a doctor is the right thing to do. He HAS to tell his coach. He may be doing irepairable damage. Also, the strength f the arm is of little concern if his mechanics are flawed. Most recepients of Tommy John's have strong arms.
                      "He who dares to teach, must never cease to learn."
                      - John Cotton Dana (1856–1929) - Offered to many by L. Olson - Iowa (Teacher)
                      Please read Baseball Fever Policy and Forum FAQ before posting.

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                      • Originally posted by Sparksdale View Post
                        I debated whether to post tonight or not and in the end I decided.....

                        Since I started this thread a few years ago I decided to be open and honest and post the good with the bad.

                        Today was a very bad day....very bad.

                        We had our first Varsity game. This past week my boy has told me that his arm is a little sore....I didn't think that much of it at the time.... (Just to be safe he took the past 6 days or so off from throwing). The coach put my boy in to pitch in the 5th inning....he gave up 10 runs in one inning. His fastball was a good 10mph off its normal fastball. He was throwing in the low to mid 60's when his normal fastball is in the low 70's and occasionally 75+.

                        After the game he told me his arm hurts and he was afraid to tell his coach (he still hasn't told his coach).

                        It's the weekend of July 4th and we can't get him to a doctor for at least three more days.

                        Just to be blunt I'm nervous and maybe even a little scared. You people have no idea how much my boy loves baseball and I just hope his arm is ok. We'll see what the doctor says on Tuesday and I'm hoping he just has a tired arm or maybe some inflammation.

                        I've done dozens of hours of reading on the internet and I'm not a doctor so I won't even guess what's wrong. On the plus side he said his arm never popped and it only hurts when he throws....I guess that is a good sign I don't know.

                        At the very least summer baseball is more than likely over and I hope that will be the worst news.

                        My boy has always always always had a strong arm and it never ever ever hurts. So the thought of his arm hurting just breaks my heart and I pray that things will be ok.

                        Sparks
                        Sparks, getting him to a doctor is the right thing to do. He HAS to tell his coach. He may be doing irreparable damage. Also, the strength f the arm is of little concern if his mechanics are flawed. Most recipients of Tommy John's have strong arms.
                        Last edited by Jake Patterson; 07-03-2010, 06:03 PM.
                        "He who dares to teach, must never cease to learn."
                        - John Cotton Dana (1856–1929) - Offered to many by L. Olson - Iowa (Teacher)
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                        • A general practitioner is going to tell him to take some Advil and rest his arm for three weeks. Take him to an orthopedic specialist to make sure there's nothing wrong with his arm. If it's more than soreness you don't want him injuring himself swinging a bat or making a throw from a position. It's a bonus if the specialist was an athlete. The coach does need to be informed.

                          Your son may have hit the limit of what his arm will handle foe the season. It may be time for rest. As far as the poor performance everyone has them. Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. Tell your son I pitched D1 and once gave up walk off homers in both ends of a doubleheader.

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                          • Originally posted by Sparksdale View Post
                            Weather:

                            Our first Varsity game was rained out...talk about a bummer.

                            When we got to the field the coach talked with my boy for a few minutes. He said he's going to move him from SS to second base. He told him that the starting SS is a Jr. and he would get almost all the playing time at SS. He told my boy he would get more playing time if he moved him to second base.

                            My boy said he doesn't care, he just wants to play.

                            I like my boy playing SS but the starting SS is probably one of the top players in our area....a kid that everyone has been watching for a number of years.

                            Our next game (first game) will be Friday now.

                            Sparks
                            A good second baseman makes the SS look that much more better, and vise versa. If the Middle is covered by a talented team then who cares. I like to think of the second baseman as a short stop on the right side of the field. I've even done that with youth players to get them in the right mind-set. You are SS left and you are SS right. Both positons require excellent range, a great glove, but the only real difference is one will get more repetitions due to the numbers of RH batters and the 2b will play a critical role in turning the double play. Sure, the traditional SS has a longer throw, and that's why you have a starting SS and a back up. Someone's gotta get the nod based on the team's priorities.

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                            • Originally posted by Sparksdale View Post
                              I debated whether to post tonight or not and in the end I decided.....

                              Since I started this thread a few years ago I decided to be open and honest and post the good with the bad.

                              Today was a very bad day....very bad.

                              We had our first Varsity game. This past week my boy has told me that his arm is a little sore....I didn't think that much of it at the time.... (Just to be safe he took the past 6 days or so off from throwing). The coach put my boy in to pitch in the 5th inning....he gave up 10 runs in one inning. His fastball was a good 10mph off its normal fastball. He was throwing in the low to mid 60's when his normal fastball is in the low 70's and occasionally 75+.

                              After the game he told me his arm hurts and he was afraid to tell his coach (he still hasn't told his coach).

                              It's the weekend of July 4th and we can't get him to a doctor for at least three more days.

                              Just to be blunt I'm nervous and maybe even a little scared. You people have no idea how much my boy loves baseball and I just hope his arm is ok. We'll see what the doctor says on Tuesday and I'm hoping he just has a tired arm or maybe some inflammation.

                              I've done dozens of hours of reading on the internet and I'm not a doctor so I won't even guess what's wrong. On the plus side he said his arm never popped and it only hurts when he throws....I guess that is a good sign I don't know.

                              At the very least summer baseball is more than likely over and I hope that will be the worst news.

                              My boy has always always always had a strong arm and it never ever ever hurts. So the thought of his arm hurting just breaks my heart and I pray that things will be ok.

                              Sparks
                              WOW... good luck.
                              My prayers are with your son.
                              All the best Sparks...
                              Tell your son to keep his chin up.
                              I am always asking my son how his arm feels the next day after he pitches. I always hope he will tell me if his arm gets sore. I'd like to think he would, but you never know...
                              Last edited by trademark; 07-04-2010, 01:33 PM.
                              Just a baseball layman trying to make sense of it all...

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                              • Originally posted by trademark View Post
                                WOW... good luck.
                                My prayers are with your son.
                                All the best Sparks...
                                Tell your son to keep his chin up.
                                I am always asking my son how his arm feels the next day after he pitches. I always hope he will tell me if his arm gets sore. I'd like to think he would, but you never know...
                                When my boy was playing, I honestly believed he would tell me when there was something wrong, or at least out of whack. Turns out that there’s just about as much chance of a kid telling his folks any time something is wrong, as there is for pigs to fly.

                                The reason isn’t that they’re being untruthful or deceitful. The reason is, their idea of something being wrong is nothing like any adult’s, let alone their parents, because they don’t have a lot of acquired knowledge to compare themselves to.
                                The pitcher who’s afraid to throw strikes, will soon be standing in the shower with the hitter who's afraid to swing.

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