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  • Originally posted by Encinitas View Post
    Look if that is his true speed, there is no way there isn't a school he can pitch for. Now you might be stuck in area that's not as heavily recruited. Now I am trusting that this speed has been independently verified. I went over to a tournament once around Lakeland Fla. (Auburndale) specifically out of curiosity we wanted to watch a Big Ten school who happened to be playing a Service Academy. Since the fields were kind of wide open so were the dugouts. Big10 School happened to have the Academy scouting reports on their pitchers posted. There were maybe two kids on the roster hitting 90. In watching the game most of the guys were living right around 85, some would dip lower, some inch up to say 88, but I never saw 90, and this is Division 1 baseball. I made the kid stand back there and watch so he could see it's no different than HS kid signed with Florida or whomever who we face that is touching 89 but living mostly around 86. (other than the college kids were much bigger). Point being a true 85 guy can pitch lower-tier D1 and many D2/D3/Juco/NAIA schools could get some use out of him. Some of these kids throw harder when they get to college I can't believe a 6'4" kid doesn't project.

    Word of advice too, it takes a lot of work by the parents and kid outside of the diamond. Emailing teams, contacting coaches, etc. You have to go to their sites and fill out all the information, tell them where you are playing etc. At some point someone might bite. It's extremely rare these days for a kid to get found at a HS game. What is his off-season routine, travel ball, showcase ball?
    Encinitas,

    I just happened to be at that game. The coaches were told before the game that there were two scouts from small colleges that I had never heard of there to look at this boy and another pitcher on our team. It might have been rude of me but when this 6' 4" boy was pitching I walked over to the scout and asked him how fast the boy was pitching. He told me mostly 85mph and had touched 86 a couple of times.

    As far as showcases I really don't know if this boy did any. All I know is my stepson's youngest son is playing Tball this year and we went to see him play. The 6' 4" boy I've been talking about was there and he was umpiring the game. He came over and talked to me and I asked how many offers he had. I was shocked when he told me he hadn't gotten a single call and no interest from any school.

    Sparks

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    • Originally posted by Encinitas View Post
      Look if that is his true speed, there is no way there isn't a school he can pitch for. Now you might be stuck in area that's not as heavily recruited. Now I am trusting that this speed has been independently verified. I went over to a tournament once around Lakeland Fla. (Auburndale) specifically out of curiosity we wanted to watch a Big Ten school who happened to be playing a Service Academy. Since the fields were kind of wide open so were the dugouts. Big10 School happened to have the Academy scouting reports on their pitchers posted. There were maybe two kids on the roster hitting 90. In watching the game most of the guys were living right around 85, some would dip lower, some inch up to say 88, but I never saw 90, and this is Division 1 baseball. I made the kid stand back there and watch so he could see it's no different than HS kid signed with Florida or whomever who we face that is touching 89 but living mostly around 86. (other than the college kids were much bigger). Point being a true 85 guy can pitch lower-tier D1 and many D2/D3/Juco/NAIA schools could get some use out of him. Some of these kids throw harder when they get to college I can't believe a 6'4" kid doesn't project.

      Word of advice too, it takes a lot of work by the parents and kid outside of the diamond. Emailing teams, contacting coaches, etc. You have to go to their sites and fill out all the information, tell them where you are playing etc. At some point someone might bite. It's extremely rare these days for a kid to get found at a HS game. What is his off-season routine, travel ball, showcase ball?
      Encinitas,

      I just happened to be at that game. The coaches were told before the game that there were two scouts from small colleges that I had never heard of there to look at this boy and another pitcher on our team. It might have been rude of me but when this 6' 4" boy was pitching I walked over to the scout and asked him how fast the boy was pitching. He told me mostly 85mph and had touched 86 a couple of times.

      As far as showcases I really don't know if this boy did any. All I know is my stepson's youngest son is playing Tball this year and we went to see him play. The 6' 4" boy I've been talking about was there and he was umpiring the game. He came over and talked to me and I asked how many offers he had. I was shocked when he told me he hadn't gotten a single call and no interest from any school.

      Sparks

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      • Another reason this 6'-4" pitcher, with good grades didn't receive any offers is that the coaches didn't help him out with recruiting.

        Some schools in our area are much better at attracting recruiters and have better networks with colleges.

        Unfortunately the high school in my town is terrible about recruiting.

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        • Originally posted by tradosaurus View Post
          Another reason this 6'-4" pitcher, with good grades didn't receive any offers is that the coaches didn't help him out with recruiting.

          Some schools in our area are much better at attracting recruiters and have better networks with colleges.

          Unfortunately the high school in my town is terrible about recruiting.
          Folks who believe that the high school coach will 1) help you child become a better hitter 2) help your child become a better pitcher 3) help your child with recruiting, etc. will be sadly disappointed in general. Most high school coaches have 50+ members on the team (varsity, JV, and freshman/sophomore) as well as teaching responsibilities at the school so it's hard to give any boy or girl individual attention. It really is up to the player and most importantly, the parent. Maybe it shouldn't be that way, but that's what I have seen for all of the kids who actually are playing in college today. Of the kids who made it, 100% were due to the parent/player, zero due to the high school coach.

          Sparks, I've had a similar experience with several players throwing in the mid-80's. Yes, absolutely there are guys pitching at that and lower in college. The problem is that when you go to showcases, almost everyone can throw in mid-80's. So if you're throwing 85, how do you distinguish yourself from the masses? Far fewer can throw 90, so if can hit that magic number, all of this discussion becomes moot. That's really the point I was trying to make. If your boy can hit 90 mph, even for 1 pitch at one showcase, someone will take him, guaranteed. 85 mph, maybe someone will, or maybe they won't, at least in my experience.

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          • One way a kid throwing 85 can stand out is be 6'4". Coaches will see upside potential. But when a kid throws 85 going to a major showcase probably isn't going to do it for him. He needs to focus on the schools he wants to play for and get in front of them.

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            • Originally posted by tg643 View Post

              I saw a late bloomer D3 college pitcher throwing 92 his senior year. I saw his first walk ... in his 93rd inning. He was drafted in the 26th round.
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              • Originally posted by tradosaurus View Post
                Another reason this 6'-4" pitcher, with good grades didn't receive any offers is that the coaches didn't help him out with recruiting.

                Some schools in our area are much better at attracting recruiters and have better networks with colleges.

                Unfortunately the high school in my town is terrible about recruiting.
                People here feel the same way until I ask... "How many kids does our HS have playing college sports right now?" We have about 350 kids - 8 are playing college sports.
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                • Originally posted by skipper5 View Post
                  Tim Kielly?
                  Yep. Another from that same D3 World Series was Chez Angeloni from Johns Hopkins. He was in the Red Sox system for a couple of years. Chez threw low 80's in high school. He left JHU throwing 92. He also grew a few inches.

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                  • Originally posted by Jake Patterson View Post
                    People here feel the same way until I ask... "How many kids does our HS have playing college sports right now?" We have about 350 kids - 8 are playing college sports.
                    The high school my kids came from places a lot of kids in college sports. There are two guidance counselors who are versed in helping potential college athletes. I would guess the each class places between 30-40 athletes in college sports. It's a large classification high school. But other than football the primary help comes from club teams. The kid who went to an SEC school for football got interest by sending them a video labeled: Tailback runs 4.35 40. The entire starting lineup and top four pitchers from my son's junior year are playing college baseball except two kids who are majoring in engineering. One had D1 offers in baseball and football. The other had D3 baseball offers. From my son's junior year of soccer everyone but my son is playing college soccer. He had interest until he expressed no interest.
                    Last edited by tg643; 05-30-2012, 08:52 PM.

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                    • Originally posted by Jake Patterson View Post
                      People here feel the same way until I ask... "How many kids does our HS have playing college sports right now?" We have about 350 kids - 8 are playing college sports.
                      I know for a fact that some high school athletic directors do a better job at establishing contacts with major colleges. This helps with recruiting.

                      For instance there is a 4A school about 20 miles down the road that has contacts with Alabama, LSU, etc. The 2A school in my town has placed a one baseball or football player in a Div 1A program in 15 years.

                      I will base my decision on where my son goes to high school on this fact alone.

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                      • Headed out today for a weekend showcase tournament with the Varsity School team.

                        This is a true showcase sponsored by Mizuno for various High Schools in our state.

                        The only problem is my boy doesn't think his Varsity coach will let him play much and I agree.
                        We have to rent rooms for 3 nights and everything and I doubt my boy will play much at all.

                        Just have to think positive and see what happens. If it didn't cost so much money I wouldn't mind it but to spend hundreds of dollars on travel and motel and your kid hardly plays isn't fun. But we'll see.....

                        Sparks

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                        • Mine played two games at the PG WWBA in Ft. Myers, and sat two (most of two anyway he did get in for the last game in the 5th for 1AB). Despite being the 4-hitter on games that he starts he isn't seen as a must play all innings guy just yet. Make the most of opportunity when he plays. Mine had two doubles and 4 RBIs to lead the team in both extra base hits and RBIs for the weekend, despite having almost the fewest ABs at 6. (there are three catchers so two of them always sit). If the "play every inning guys" continue to not produce I think things will work themselves out. Each team probably has 4-5 kids who don't come out, and the rest have to rotate I can't imagine your coach will let your kid rot on the bench all weekend.

                          It's really hard to be that part-time guy for a kid, but hopefully he gets a chance to do something Sparks.

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                          • I'm wondering at what grade level these showcases make sense?

                            What did kids do without the showcases 30-40 yrs ago?

                            I've got 3 more years to worry about that but I hope I can refrain spending tons of money chasing few and low money scholarships.

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                            • Originally posted by Sparksdale View Post
                              Headed out today for a weekend showcase tournament with the Varsity School team.

                              This is a true showcase sponsored by Mizuno for various High Schools in our state.
                              Actually, this is just HS summer ball. They are tryouts for your next HS season. Work hard.
                              Last edited by songtitle; 05-31-2012, 10:12 AM.
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                              • Originally posted by tradosaurus View Post
                                I'm wondering at what grade level these showcases make sense?

                                What did kids do without the showcases 30-40 yrs ago?

                                I've got 3 more years to worry about that but I hope I can refrain spending tons of money chasing few and low money scholarships.
                                It's been said here in the past, and in greater detail than I can remember or care to get into....but cost analysis wise, it may be wiser to talk all of the money that you'd spend on "showcase" expenses (registration fees, transportation costs, lodging, food, etc.), if you plan on doing more than one showcase....and put that money into an "education account", and you'd probably come out way ahead on what the average kid will receive in scholarship money by comparison from those showcases.

                                Now if your son in HS, is one of the top players in his league (not, on his team)....then the showcase "investment" will probably be worth the exposure. I know of lots of kids that have done the "showcase circuit", only to end up at their local JUCO, when the scholarship monies never arrived.

                                Heck, I know of one kid currently, that even after getting a 67% scholarship from a major D1....may still not be playing there because of grades, unless he can get his ACT score up dramatically. From after his Jr. season to now, he's played in GA, AZ, FL, HI, and places all over CA. While the lower level teams of the baseball academy he plays for fund his team's registration fees and some housing....his family is still on the hook for food, air fare, and local transportation costs, that have added up to be a VERY pretty penny for what I'm told.

                                I'd say "do the math" before you decide whether showcases are the correct route for you and your son, and definitely not before he completes his sophomore, and more realistically, his junior season. I know my youngest (17 y/o Jr. in HS) isn't going to be headed to any of them...for more than one reason.
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