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  • #61
    Gem - thanks for the clip of Arod with the back elbow.

    I guess my point was I remember Ted Williams saying something to the fact that why start with your hands high if you have to bring them back down to hit the ball. Ted kept his hands very low. In the case of the rear elbow we know it needs to at some point come down to make sure we stay inside the ball on our swing. We also know about all of the "coaches" out there who yell at their kids "get your elbow up"!

    Question - would it therefore make sense to not bring it up too high as in your clip and the one of Arod? Is there an advantage to it being high?

    What I really like about your swing is that when you "rotate" "load up" your shoulders turn and your hands go with them - the hands do not go back by themselves which we see so often in young kids. I think if you could teach kids this part of your swing - I made my 11 year old watch it 50 times - they would be on the right path.

    I am learning a bunch from this site and I appreciate yours and others feedback. Thanks!
    "Tip it and rip it" - In Memory of Dmac
    "Hit the inside seam" - In Memory of Swingbuster

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    • #62
      Originally posted by fungo22
      ...I never get tired of saying it: I wish I knew then what I know now.
      If you can keep saying this, it tells you you are still growing in knowledge. I get worried I will stop being able to say "I wish I knew then what I know now."

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      • #63
        Question - would it therefore make sense to not bring it up too high as in your clip and the one of Arod? Is there an advantage to it being high?
        High elbow IF YOUR WANT OR ARE WILLING TO LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING is accompanied by barrel movement to vertical. There is a plane change. This creates hand torque on the handle when the lead elbow goes up and the rear slots. The high elbow has more energy coming down and this energy is converted to shoulder rotation just as stride momentum is converted to hip rotation. THe high rear elbow slotting jumps starts the barrel into rotation around the hands and the lead hand pulls the handle opposite as it connects enhancing the handle torque.

        It is a proven " no brainer"..The people that don't see it have no brains

        You must look at the frontal view to see what the high elbow does to the barrel and relative hand and elbow positions. Ohfer post the first base view and give you an intentionally dishonest version of what is happening. From that view he dismisses the reality.

        see the front view..clips clips clips clips clips clips clips

        http://s6.invisionfree.com/Hitting/i...0#entry4067318
        Last edited by swingbuster; 03-27-2006, 12:20 PM.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by swingbuster
          ...Ohfer post the first base view and give you an intentionally dishonest version of what is happening.
          Um.......I haven't posted a clip in this thread. Sorry.

          The clips I posted rather soundly disproved your "lead elbow against the body" theory though.
          Last edited by Ohfor; 03-27-2006, 12:35 PM.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Jake Patterson

            Do what ever you gotta do to enjoy him! He must have his mother's good looks!
            You got that right

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            • #66
              THe high rear elbow slotting jumps starts the barrel into rotation around the hands and the lead hand pulls the handle opposite as it connects enhancing the handle torque.

              Let Brandon raise the rear elbow and lower the lead and the rear elbow will not try to lead the shoulder rotation.

              Higher elbow..more stride..explode...HRS

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Stealth

                Question - would it therefore make sense to not bring it up too high as in your clip and the one of Arod? Is there an advantage to it being high?
                In my experience, hitters with their hands lower and elbow lower tend to have trouble with the good fastball in the upper part of the zone. Many professional hitters use the term "Drop the head on it". Meaning start with your hands a little higher and just drop the bat head on the ball. If you start to low a good heater will beat you more often than not. IME.

                These guys are pretty high with their rear elbow.





                I am learning a bunch from this site and I appreciate yours and others feedback. Thanks!
                No problem.. best of luck. The coaches always yelling "keep you back elbow up" are right, but probably don't know why. You should keep you elbow from coming down without the knob of the bat changing directions at the same time..if this happens, the folks on this sight refer to it as "slotting" your elbow too soon.

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                • #68
                  The coaches always yelling "keep you back elbow up" are right, but probably don't know why.

                  Very true..very true


                  You should keep you elbow from coming down without the knob of the bat changing directions at the same time..if this happens, the folks on this sight refer to it as "slotting" your elbow too soon.
                  Ortiz barrel in front of helmet as elbow slots



                  relative hand position can control this.

                  If the knob is pointing more back and in ( bat more vertical) ( to to left shoulder of catcher or left of catcher) then you cannot do it wrong. If the knob is pointing to oppo box it can get pulled wrong with top hand.
                  Last edited by swingbuster; 03-27-2006, 12:55 PM.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by swingbuster
                    Let Brandon raise the rear elbow and lower the lead and the rear elbow will not try to lead the shoulder rotation.

                    Higher elbow..more stride..explode...HRS
                    How about some before and after clips of hitters you have trained illustrating what you describe here?

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by swingbuster

                      If the knob is pointing more back and in ( bat more vertical) ( to to left shoulder of catcher or left of catcher) then you cannot do it wrong. If the knob is pointing to oppo box it can get pulled wrong with top hand.
                      Here is ARods's bat position just before he fires to this ball. I must not understand what you are saying.


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                      • #71
                        Right after spring break...he would be flanked by the Gulf of Mexico, many girls, and sitting on a cooler with "Gatoraid" about now.

                        He doesn't go to the cage on spring break. We hope to come back with rested arms and all that out of their system.....well it will take a few days to get it all out of their system

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                        • #72
                          Here is ARods's bat position just before he fires to this ball. I must not understand what you are saying
                          .

                          Click back if you can until the bat is at it's most vertical point. He never makes it fully vertical.

                          Or go back to clip and watch just the hands work from side by side to almost stacked and turn back over.

                          Then watch just the elbow action that supports it. Lead elbow down and rear up the the reverse..lead elbow up into pitch plane and the rear slotting.

                          This is creating the hand torque that allows him to throw that barrel into that running FB up

                          Do you get the Ofher impression that he found the postural alignment to that location and rotated through or do you think he threw his hands through the center of that ball in a hopelessly BAD location
                          Last edited by swingbuster; 03-27-2006, 01:30 PM.

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                          • #73
                            Here is the full clip and it seems to me like alot of hand throwing,(top hand) but thats just my impression.

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                            • #74
                              Gem

                              "No problem.. best of luck. The coaches always yelling "keep you back elbow up" are right, but probably don't know why. You should keep you elbow from coming down without the knob of the bat changing directions at the same time..if this happens, the folks on this sight refer to it as "slotting" your elbow too soon."

                              Can you expand on this a bit so I understand it better?
                              "Tip it and rip it" - In Memory of Dmac
                              "Hit the inside seam" - In Memory of Swingbuster

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                              • #75
                                "Here is the full clip and it seems to me like alot of hand throwing,(top hand) but thats just my impression."

                                I see that as well - probably due to the pitch location being high.
                                "Tip it and rip it" - In Memory of Dmac
                                "Hit the inside seam" - In Memory of Swingbuster

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