PCR and low outside pitches?

[hitdapill]

My son (12)has in the last six months embarked on his rotational hitting journey. Steve E's DVD's have really "clicked" with him. There has been a noticeable change in his ability to "get the damn barrel around" . One area he is struggling with is the ability to hit low outside pitches. It seems like he is almost "pulling off" the ball and results are weak, end of bat contact. Does anyone have any experience/drills/cues that will help? Any input would be appreciated!

[swingbuster]

Does anyone have any experience/drills/cues that will help? Any input would be appreciated!

Yes...go look at the Piazza clips referenced by Ray Porco and read my description of how he does it. You can also see and read some of this at

http://s6.invisionfree.com/Hitting/index.php?showtopic=284&st=90#entry4067318

Learn what plane transition means from vertical bat sets to the 45 launch slot

Learn how to deliver the blow inside the ball with early spatial connections

Learn how a one piece turn will not let you hit one ball out of middle.

Learn what the " Bonds Top Hand " means.

Learn how to hit the inside seam of the ball

Learn that correct arm action in the preswing creating " hand torque" is the only way you will hit " away and down pitching"

Learn that just letting the ball get deep will never work to accomplish your goal

Learn that PCR is a rotation drill set but not a complete hitting package to handle a 17 inch plate I THINK YOU JUST LEARNED THAT.

Your not getting that darned bat out there exactly right because your not handling two balls from middle.

The coaches that use a more vertical hand set and understand it are in the vast minority as you will soon read but so are HOF hitters

IN HS ...what is your batting average if you bat .400 on pitches in and .000 in pitches away if they throw you half and half. That would be .200.

Now what is your batting average when they find that out and throw you only away.... .000. You getting it man You will have a great hitter that cannot contribute squat.

Time to accessorize you rotation

[Mark H]

I thought I saw someone had that side by side clip of the difference between Jeff Albert and a pro hitting the low outside pitch posted on their website? That would be an excellent visual for this question.

[Mark H]

OK, I've got it. Email me at [email protected] and I'll send it to you.

[Mark H]

SB,

How about some clips?

[fungo22]

Your not getting that darned bat out there exactly right because your not handling two balls from middle.

Say what?


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[LClifton]

hitdapill

Great screen name.

Looking at most home run clips, batters hit mistakes. Middle -in usually.
With that being said, what are your expectations for that pitch location?
Just watched the Cubs, Cardinals game and when the pitch was low and away,,,,not much was done with it.
My answer would be, the expectations of hitting that pitch REAL effective should be low.
Many ask the same question when a clip is posted,,,,"That was really good but how do they do on a pitch low and away"..?
My thought is usually flashed back to when Pujols hit the ball out against Lidge last post season---did anyone see what he did on the first two swings he took? Low and low and away, -----he looked pretty silly.
The pitch gets hit,,,don't get me wrong, but, from my short stint in studying clips, it doesn't get hit all that well, all that often. But there are things that can help.
Last question, Does your hitter swing and miss at this pitch ?
Does anyone have Ted Williams batting avg chart, that they could post here?

Just my thoughts,
LClifton

[Mark H]

I just ask for a clip of anything at th knees to see if they know how to tilt over and rotate. I'd really be more impressed if they could stay connected on the low inside strike. Still staying connected through the low outside strike has some issues as well. Anyone want the Wells JA clip let me know. Don't want to post it publically.

[hiddengem]

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[ssarge]

Your not getting that darned bat out there exactly right because your not handling two balls from middle.

Fungo:

I'm not sure what your confusion is, here. But I may be able to help - I believe I can demonstrate this.

"I should have yelled 'two!'"

Regards,

Scott

[Sultan_1895-1948]

My son (12)has in the last six months embarked on his rotational hitting journey. Steve E's DVD's have really "clicked" with him. There has been a noticeable change in his ability to "get the damn barrel around" . One area he is struggling with is the ability to hit low outside pitches. It seems like he is almost "pulling off" the ball and results are weak, end of bat contact. Does anyone have any experience/drills/cues that will help? Any input would be appreciated!

To me, this is a classic case of simply psychology.

As a hitter, if you take the mental approach of antcipating pulling, and then reacting to the outside pitch, you'll have much less success; as opposed to thinking up the middle or away, and then reacting to the inside pitch. You'll have very little behind your swing if you think inside/away. If you think up the midde/away, and then react to the inside, you'll have much more success imo.

I'm not discrediting Steve's DVD (never seen it), but from what I've read from here, it seems to encourage rotation with very little hand/arm adjsustment. If you focus too much on that, and get locked in, it won't allow you to make proper adjustments to the pitch middle away. Of course, if you sit back like you're supposed to, then you can't help but alter your rotational swing and go with the pitch.

I'm not sayin' you should abandon what he's learned altogether, but once you reach a certain level, smart pitchers will take advantage of a weakness low and way. Find a good way to teach him to sit back and use his top hand on the outside pitches. That might draw some comments from this crowd, but I'm giving advice from personal experience, and that's what I would focus on.

LC Clifton, here ya go: Let me know if you can't read the numbers, not sure how they'll come out when posted in a picture

[swingbuster]

I'm not discrediting Steve's DVD (never seen it), but from what I've read from here, it seems to encourage rotation with very little hand/arm adjsustment. If you focus too much on that, and get locked in, it won't allow you to make proper adjustments to the pitch middle aw

Correct.

If you do not prime your forearms and create a rotation center with the bat around the hands and rely on posture and swing plane alone then you will not hit the gray area on Ted's chart.

Also, for HS coaches, notice the BA in the gray can approximate a Team average for a HS team in a so-so year. Now, consider what they will team hit in that pitch location not being a HOF players. It is pretty bad.

Place a tee on front of plate in a middle in position ( ideal ) for a pull HR. Make NO hip coil away and just rotate to that ball and stop before impact. Your bat will be in the direct center of the back of the ball of that location. THat is why kids with bad swings can hit this location so hard and stare at middle away.

Now move the tee to center or one ball outside of center and make no hip coil and no plane transition and rotate to that ball and you will be on the outside seam every time pulling an away pitch usually as a GB to 3B , circling the ball.

You must coil your hips as you stride and use some mechanism to get inwardly setup with the upper body to get inside the baseball naturally to use the top hand whip. The proper preswing does it. Not PCR. It is more advanced than that. You cannot think I must hit the inside of the ball. It is determined in the backswing/ load/ coil/ arm and hand action, neg moves

It might be beneficial to take a look at Teds BHUT and vertical bat, and low lead elbow set up while you have that image up there and then study his swing and what happens next and read some of this thread from top down

http://s6.invisionfree.com/Hitting/index.php?showtopic=240&st=0&#last

I'm not sayin' you should abandon what he's learned altogether, but once you reach a certain level, smart pitchers will take advantage of a weakness low and way. Find a good way to teach him to sit back and use his top hand on the outside pitches. That might draw some comments from this crowd, but I'm giving advice from personal experience, and that's what I would focus on

Sultan....you should be Sultan of Swing...you found the missing pieces in your best post ever. Good job

OBTW the Ted swing is NOT no stride as the poster commented. He is off his lead foot in the coil and off the rear foot into contact...full momentum transfer, bat plane transition, relaxed upper body, bat vertical and tipped forward, hip coil WITH vertical bat and lead elbow down. Lead leg extension in time with wrist unhinging. Weighless front foot at stride; weightless backfoot at contact, narrow base No reality/ perception gap here

[Mark H]

I'm not discrediting Steve's DVD (never seen it), but from what I've read from here,

Most of what you read on here about the dvd is written by guys who have never seen the dvd.

[Mark H]

Correct.

If you do not prime your forearms and create a rotation center with the bat around the hands and rely on posture and swing plane alone then you will not hit the gray area on Ted's chart.

You really should have studied Paul's sims. Then you would know how and why the rotational axis changes from the body to around the hands. You promoted yourself from student to teacher too soon.

[swingbuster]

maybe you guys should have stopped posting about kids clips at all if you were going to tell half the story and send them somewhere to get the rest