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Is Rolling the Wrists Actually a Problem?

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  • Just because it looks like palm up and palm down at contact dont mean the wrist arent being rolled. A push up and a bench press look like the same movements, but muscle initiation is different.

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    • LA-don't complicate it---JJA was certain that these students were rolling over before/at contact and AT THOSE POINTS IN TIME they are not rolled over..

      Geeez----if it is such a problem where is all the video of players rolling over---

      Hell Hank Aaron tried to roll his wrists thru contact and he still didn't roll over at contact..

      Although I'd say he does start to roll and is LESS Palm up/Palm down than those kids....

      Therefore Aaron has MORE "roll" happening and is in a worse position with the hands than those kids according to the Palm up/Palm down crowd...

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        • collegeStar,

          I went to that site you mentioned as a guest. When I noticed Schenck was labeled "God", had 40% of all the posts, almost every topic was called "PCR" or "Englishbey", and these topics were unmoderated rants about everything Englishbey, I decided I had better places to spend my time. But thanks for the offer. It's safe to say I have more clips of Aaron than anyone so I understand his swing very well.

          OK, I'll go through this once as this topic is starting to bore me. Take a look at the extension position of A-Rod.



          This is THE key position Lau tries to get his students into. He wants the bottom hand under the top hand until basically full extension with the bottom hand and the bat almost collinear. As Jake pointed out before, even Lau acknowledges that the wrists roll, but he doesn't want them to start to roll until this position. If one of his students rolls much before this, he considers the swing to be top hand dominant. The two young players are classic examples of what he sees as top hand dominance.

          Lau believes that this lead arm extension is the key position to strive for in the modern era. Indeed, many of today's great sluggers get into a similar position (Manny, Pujols, etc.). This of course was the legacy from his dad, who first started working on lead arm extension in the early 80's. Of course this is not the same swing that Aaron, Mantle, Gehrig, and many other Hall of Famers had, but he believes that the modern era with the lower strike zone requires a somewhat different swing than that of yesteryear. And he most definitely believes that it is no coincidence that so many of the top home run hitters take their top hand off the bat. He believes that lead arm extension does work, and that's what he teaches.

          Lau understands better than anyone that not everyone agrees. He has fought that battle since the days of his father. But he could care less. He believes in it and teaches it. And there is NO question that Lau hitters look like A-Rod when they're done with his program. Not everyone likes A-Rod's swing, which is fine, and if you don't like it Lau is definitely not for you. He definitely does not teach Hank Aaron's swing, even though much of his dad's book The Art of Hitting 0.300 was very much based on the personal observations of Lau Sr from watching Aaron.

          Lastly, there is no argument to win or lose here. It's simply a different way of looking at the swing. You don't look at it this way, but Lau does. If you don't look reasonably close to A-Rod in that extension position (like those young players), then he considers you to have a top hand dominant swing. That's the way he views it. And no one with common sense can say that those two young players look anything like A-Rod at that extension position.

          -JJA
          Last edited by JJA; 10-23-2009, 11:12 PM.
          The outcome of our children is infinitely more important than the outcome of any game they will ever play

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          • man you're fast--how do yall do that???

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            • Originally posted by FiveFrameSwing View Post
              man you're fast--how do yall do that???

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              • And no one with common sense can say that those two young players look anything like A-Rod at that extension position.
                I agree w/ that other than they are ALL PU/PD at contact!!!!!

                BTW-thanks for the reply ...I like a lot of Lau esp the lower half

                I decided I had better places to spend my time.
                agree--I don't participate in the group think and don't post there....

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                • JJA .... enjoyed the posts.

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                  • Originally posted by omg View Post
                    This is not in dispute. He wrote that the top hand was the power hand and because he was a right handed thrower he suggested he would have been better right handed. True.

                    What makes you think he was bottommh and dominant? I don't see it in his stroke; or hear it in his words.

                    TW was brilliant in his mental aspects; they were from the ultimate experience. But his "science" and mechanics are suspect.
                    By bottom arm dominant, I meant it as more a definition than anything. Basically he's a right hander hitting left handed. There is no doubt that Ted's top hand is working. From his lament, It's pretty clear he thought he could have been better had he had the benefit of having his dominant arm on top.

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                    • Originally posted by collegeStar View Post
                      The fact that the girl hits the top of the ball and moves her bat up has nothing to do with top hand dominance..It is a strength issue---I'd say the 6'4" jucied up A rod is a bit stronger...
                      Strength has absolutely nothing to do with this.

                      It's 100% technique.
                      efastball.com - hitting and pitching fact checker

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