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  • Reynolds & Casey on MLB network talking about hands

    Did anybody see/record Harold Reynolds and Sean Casey on MLB network last night? They talked about using the hands and showed one hand hitting drills. They talked about getting the feeling in the hands through the hitting zone.

  • #2
    You've got to be kidding me.

    They were broadcasting information on public TV suggesting that the pros use their hands?

    Blasphemy!

    When will this nonsense end?

    p.s.
    Would appreciate it if someone could dig up the broadcast and place it on Youtube.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by FiveFrameSwing View Post
      You've got to be kidding me.

      They were broadcasting information on public TV suggesting that the pros use their hands?

      Blasphemy!

      When will this nonsense end?

      p.s.
      Would appreciate it if someone could dig up the broadcast and place it on Youtube.
      I saw it and was struck by how much Casey just tilts and turns.
      I think he even said the hands are along for the ride
      He also said the hands just hold on to the bat.O'leary is right
      Last edited by Bucketdad; 01-05-2010, 09:57 AM.

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      • #4
        I am ashamed to say I listened to baseball "experts" like this for years.

        Then one day it hit me - they don't know what they are talking about.

        BBF forumers saving the world, one comment at a time.
        Last edited by songtitle; 01-05-2010, 10:00 AM.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Bucketdad View Post
          I saw it and was struck by how much Casey just tilts and turns.
          I think he even said the hands are along for the ride
          He also said the hands just hold on to the bat.O'leary is right
          Have you ever heard Tony Gwynn talk about the flaw of chicken winging?
          Hitting Coordinator for Harris-Stowe State University in St. Louis.

          I also work with the pitchers who are dealing with injury problems.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Chris O'Leary View Post
            Have you ever heard Tony Gwynn talk about the flaw of chicken winging?
            You mean that he ate too many buckets of chicken wings?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bucketdad View Post
              I saw it and was struck by how much Casey just tilts and turns.
              I think he even said the hands are along for the ride
              He also said the hands just hold on to the bat.O'leary is right
              Ok, so I'd try to let this ride but if you want to be a SA about it, then move your hands without moving any other body part. I get just a little po 'd when some crap like this is posted knowing that one person defines hands as hands themselves while another posts hands meaning hands arms wrist, etc. Far be it that anyone would appreciate someone who defines anatomical parts as they are!
              Granny said Sonny stick to your guns if you believe in something no matter what. Because it's better to be hated for who you are than to be loved for who you're not.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Bucketdad View Post
                I saw it and was struck by how much Casey just tilts and turns.
                I think he even said the hands are along for the ride
                He also said the hands just hold on to the bat.O'leary is right
                Wow ... this is amazing stuff. Next I suppose you are going to tell me that Casey's arms flew off of a Merry-Go-Round as opposed to a Ferris Wheel?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Bucketdad View Post
                  I saw it and was struck by how much Casey just tilts and turns.
                  I think he even said the hands are along for the ride
                  He also said the hands just hold on to the bat.O'leary is right
                  As long as we're into the non-value added comments, it was interesting about how Casey commented about "forearm swivel", "one-legged hitting", and "thrusting".

                  I guess 2010 isn't going to be any better than 2009...
                  The outcome of our children is infinitely more important than the outcome of any game they will ever play

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                  • #10
                    What was wrong with 2009?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by JJA View Post
                      As long as we're into the non-value added comments, it was interesting about how Casey commented about "forearm swivel", "one-legged hitting", and "thrusting".

                      I guess 2010 isn't going to be any better than 2009...
                      Don't ignore Casey's comment on "hand-set". Not an insignificant detail.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by FiveFrameSwing View Post
                        What was wrong with 2009?
                        Easy. Arguments get made over and over and over again on the same subjects and people ignore what others say for agenda reasons. The "hands" arguments are classic examples of this. As Justthefacts and others have said now for more than 10 years, virtually everything we interact with in the world from the earliest years is via the hands, hence it's natural to talk about the hands. Nevertheless, as Cannonball pointed out and has been pointed out probably at least 10,000 times and ignored that many times, the hands can't doing anything by themselves. As again as been pointed out at least 10,000 times, no one has any problem with "hands" based cues. Hey, I use them myself lots of the time. But these cues don't reflect reality, and some people like to teach reality based cues, just as some others don't.

                        But no, some need to disparage those who don't use hand based cues over and over and over for agenda based reasons. It just gets old and adds zero value to the overall discussion. How hard is it to understand that there are lots of different ways to get to a high level swing? There is no one right way to teach reading or arithmetic or writing, but for some there can only be one right way of teaching hitting. It's silly and pathetic at the same time, and it gets very old.

                        -JJA
                        The outcome of our children is infinitely more important than the outcome of any game they will ever play

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by JJA View Post
                          Easy. Arguments get made over and over and over again on the same subjects and people ignore what others say for agenda reasons. The "hands" arguments are classic examples of this. As Justthefacts and others have said now for more than 10 years, virtually everything we interact with in the world from the earliest years is via the hands, hence it's natural to talk about the hands. Nevertheless, as Cannonball pointed out and has been pointed out probably at least 10,000 times and ignored that many times, the hands can't doing anything by themselves. As again as been pointed out at least 10,000 times, no one has any problem with "hands" based cues. Hey, I use them myself lots of the time. But these cues don't reflect reality, and some people like to teach reality based cues, just as some others don't.

                          But no, some need to disparage those who don't use hand based cues over and over and over for agenda based reasons. It just gets old and adds zero value to the overall discussion. How hard is it to understand that there are lots of different ways to get to a high level swing? There is no one right way to teach reading or arithmetic or writing, but for some there can only be one right way of teaching hitting. It's silly and pathetic at the same time, and it gets very old.

                          -JJA
                          Now c’mon, let’s be fair. No one is talking about using the hands in isolation and no one believes the hands can do much without drawing on other body segments.

                          When that other website speaks of the “trifecta”, they are talking about three ‘actions’ taking place in parallel …. The ‘swivel’, ‘triangle’ and ‘tilt’. The “action” of “connection” is, IMO, well described. The action of “connection” is something that my kids readily grasp and understand. There is also a healthy description of how the rear leg & hip is involved … and the connection made between the ‘rear hip’ and the ‘hands/barrel’. It’s a pretty complete description IMO. I certainly wouldn't classify it as “silly” or “pathetic”.

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                          • #14
                            For those of us who didn't see the show, can someone fill us in what was exactly said about the role of the hands during the swing?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Cannonball View Post
                              Ok, so I'd try to let this ride but if you want to be a SA about it, then move your hands without moving any other body part. I get just a little po 'd when some crap like this is posted knowing that one person defines hands as hands themselves while another posts hands meaning hands arms wrist, etc. Far be it that anyone would appreciate someone who defines anatomical parts as they are!
                              All I can say is, I call 'em as I see 'em.
                              But I been told here at BBF that I'm out of my league.
                              Which is fine with me.
                              I disagree that my comments are crap.
                              When I here current and former MBLers talk about the hands and how to use them, I listen and take notes.
                              Recently, well last summer, I was at a clinic here in MN where Rod Carew explained to us how to swing the bat. The hands are active. But what does he know, right.
                              Recently, well 2 winters ago, I was at a clinic here in MN where Joe Mauer explained how he swings the bat. The hands are active, but again, what does he know.
                              A side note:
                              Both Carew and Mauer said you hit from the back leg.
                              Mauer said that when he decides to attack the ball and hit it, he is 70% weighted on the back leg. Carew also agrees with back leg hitting.
                              But neither are internet gurus so they clearly don't know what they are talking about.
                              You need to grow some skin pal.

                              BD

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