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  • Originally posted by Tewks View Post
    We could play the what if game all day. I know he would compete his a** off, grind, not give away at bats. How many guys hit .400 in the minor leagues? How many AAAA guys just don't have whatever "it" is. They can't adjust to the game at that level. Amazing athletes, amazing players.


    This is video taken yesterday.

    That's a good start, but there's a lot of work to do. Before others start chiming in, I'd like to know what you see as being lacking from his swing, and how you're going to correct those flaws.

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    • He is still working away from a knob to the ball process and he'll pull off the ball at times. Muscle up instead of letting the mechanics work. Nothing he can't feel and work through. Swing, video, feel. Get in the cage and work.

      Where do you see a lot of work to be done?

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      • Do you think he displaying a running start?

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        • Originally posted by Tewks View Post
          We could play the what if game all day. I know he would compete his a** off, grind, not give away at bats. How many guys hit .400 in the minor leagues? How many AAAA guys just don't have whatever "it" is. They can't adjust to the game at that level. Amazing athletes, amazing players.
          I have no doubts about what you are saying about CC's desire to compete and make it. If CC and Torres swapped mechanics today, do you believe Torres would be any better off?

          This is video taken yesterday.


          Thanks. In future videos would you film a few in front of the net or lift it? Is there any game video available? How does his swing compare to the high level pattern or to a player like AGon under game stress?

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          • Originally posted by Tewks View Post
            He is still working away from a knob to the ball process and he'll pull off the ball at times. Muscle up instead of letting the mechanics work. Nothing he can't feel and work through. Swing, video, feel. Get in the cage and work.

            Where do you see a lot of work to be done?
            He doesn't use his lower half at all. He swings with his arms. When the bat is in the bat lag position in the first swing both heels are still on the ground. I recently had a conversation with Jim Lefebvre about hitting. He said 70% is just being able to square up the ball, and the other 30% is having the proper mechanics to power the swing. He may do a good job at squaring up the ball, but that other 30% is going to be vital. I know I don't have a reputation in the universe of hitting, so feel free to ignore my comments, but I hope you do listen to those who do have a lot of experience and have studied how the lower generates the power. I don't think your ideas about the running start would at all conflict with also using ground forces to rotate the hips to accelerate the bat head.

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            • Originally posted by RayR View Post
              Do you think he displaying a running start?
              Yes, he is creating bat speed prior to swing commitment without adding length to his swing.

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              • Tewks, first, I like the work you have done with CC. You call it a high level swing but Tewks, the difference I think between you and myself is that you think that he matches top level MLB players and so, would have success at that level. I do understand that CC just wants a chance. So have the young men I've coached. I also understand about the grind etc. Heck, the person who I consider to be the greatest "force" I ever coached never made it to pro ball. Unfortunately, he was injured badly in college ball. Man could he rake! He also stole 66 bases in one year.

                Tewks, you are sometimes kind of taking my criticism of CC's level of play personally and not unlike what CO has done. I don't intend for any of this to be personal. However, you said that you have the answers and so, that opens you up to more criticism. Bobby, I have often asked about your "high level pattern" and what good it does if someone has the "pattern" and yet can't have success. Is the pattern your goal and then leave it up to the player? I coached a kid once who could rake and yet, he looked terrible in the box. Still, he tore it up and was able to play at a very good college where he had great numbers. You would never coach what he was doing at first glance. Kind of like Jim Fuyrk in golf. How could I argue with his success? Also, how could I say he had to change? If he changed, imo, there was a point that he wouldn't have done better.
                Granny said Sonny stick to your guns if you believe in something no matter what. Because it's better to be hated for who you are than to be loved for who you're not.

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                • CB, a good hitter can hit a line drive with any style, any technique. The ability to barrel up is not at all what I'm talking about. There are components like vision, reaction time, game theory, confidence, etc that combine to make up a great hitter and have nothing to do with the mechanics.

                  With regard to his playing level, that isn't something he or I can control. It is brought up in a way to say, "He only plays indy ball" when he is not the person who gets to make the decision where he plays, where he has opportunity. The kid has hit over .300 for 7 straight seasons at his current level and now the knock on him is his age... like it is his fault he's put up numbers for so long. Try to find a guy in any level of professional baseball who has hit over .300 7 straight years and hasn't been promoted one time.


                  I asked Chris last night what he felt the biggest benefits were this year compared to years past. He said the barrel path was huge, not stopping, embracing the running start. He also said he didn't have to force his swing, force the direction, force the bat speed. With the knob to ball approach, he had to work harder to have success, fight himself more... if that makes sense. And lastly, he felt he could trust his process more. He is getting better. Each time he comes up his swing is cleaner, he can play with it more, he can tweak it more.

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                  • PS Chris has tried to sign up and he is awaiting his approval or confirmation or whatever needs to happen on the back end. So is Jay Weaver and other people I know who have been following along this thread. Not sure if your moderator title can expedite that process in any way.

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                    • Originally posted by Tewks View Post
                      I asked Chris last night what he felt the biggest benefits were this year compared to years past. He said the barrel path was huge, not stopping, embracing the running start. He also said he didn't have to force his swing, force the direction, force the bat speed. With the knob to ball approach, he had to work harder to have success, fight himself more... if that makes sense. And lastly, he felt he could trust his process more. He is getting better. Each time he comes up his swing is cleaner, he can play with it more, he can tweak it more.
                      The problem is that the focus on his arms has basically taken his lower half out of his swing.
                      Hitting Coordinator for Harris-Stowe State University in St. Louis.

                      I also work with the pitchers who are dealing with injury problems.

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                      • Originally posted by Tewks View Post
                        With regard to his playing level, that isn't something he or I can control. It is brought up in a way to say, "He only plays indy ball" when he is not the person who gets to make the decision where he plays, where he has opportunity. The kid has hit over .300 for 7 straight seasons at his current level and now the knock on him is his age... like it is his fault he's put up numbers for so long. Try to find a guy in any level of professional baseball who has hit over .300 7 straight years and hasn't been promoted one time.
                        This isn't a productive attitude.

                        I'd tell him what I tell my indy clients; all you can control is your swing so work on that. Then, take advantage of the opportunities that are presented to you.

                        In his world that means making sure that he is dead on against the best pitchers in the league. There are sometimes scouts watching those pitchers and, believe me, they will notice a guy who can hit those pitchers.

                        The worst thing you can do is not take advantage of an opportunity. I know some guys and keep an eye on the Frontier League. Last year a couple of pitchers intrigued me. However, in both cases when the playoffs came around, they had very bad outings against good teams.

                        While that doesn't necessarily mean anything, it makes you wonder how a guy will do on the biggest stage in the world if he can't be successful on a much smaller stage.

                        P.S. While open major league tryouts are usually a crapshoot, they are worth a shot.
                        Hitting Coordinator for Harris-Stowe State University in St. Louis.

                        I also work with the pitchers who are dealing with injury problems.

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                        • Can we please get CC's account activated???

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                          • Chris, tell me again what it feels like swinging a 34", 40 oz bat. (1150 gram...) Not the "its heavy" version, but the actual feels. How contact feels. How bat speed feels. Where your bat speed was felt and how you made adjustments to hit the ball better, hit the ball deeper, get better sound, be more adjustable.
                            Last edited by Tewks; 12-13-2011, 11:31 AM.

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                            • “Do you think Dr. Marshall found something new and valuable in his research and methods?”
                              “Clever girl” (Jurassic park) Tewks!

                              No and yes, he was taught the correct way to research ! His methods are sports physiological methods he was taught by his professors also! Doesn’t need to rely on phony studies by psuedo scientists by way of peer reviews that are often just glossed over and accepted and the actual review is never posted by the peers, how convenient.
                              Nothing is new just explained for what it is and does, like forearm pronation that others have performed just not understood as valuable in producing no injurious effect so all the rest just keep letting the injurious way proceed. His approach is a culmination of those sound methods that produce the best way to proceed to eliminate injurious overstress and attain the most efficient physics by his mentor Sir Isaac Newton. All the elements he uses have been used in the past by someone in part but not understood kinesiologically or physiologically with regards to their effect on the body and or put toghether. His culmination of information can be considered proprietary if he were to market it in this manor because he has the credentials to do so and was the first to explain it in detail, in other words he is not just guessing at the principles like the laymen do. He has invented many new motor drills and why they work with his particular mechanics. He did invent the pronated curve and his more towards12/6 screwball. Since he gives his information away for free the word proprietary does not pertain. You can not patent movement that all possess and are capable of and can not be hidden like the formula for Coca Cola. All the other information’s are readily accessible and the provenance conceived long ago and still pertains. You could consider Dr.Marshall the Dick Fosbury of baseball.

                              People who claim proprietary ownership of movement patterns are nothing more than great marketers or hucksters, simple as that, they will also never see it this way and never have the credentials to be believed they know what they are talking about. They speak in blanket sentences that never go into detail. They also keep up the steady drum beat that exposes them on a constant basis for what they are and will always make the same mistakes over and over again like proclaiming they have proprietary information and it goes on record for all to see and relate back to unless the threads are eliminated. It’s very sad to see it happening especially in baseball where there has been enough time gone by that all this rehashing has been talked about by every generation that has come by over and over. It may be new to them but hardly new in any way. The only claim they can go by is they might be the first to proclaim it on the internet, big whoop!!! Most of these guys never work physically with actual live people but make it look like they have by their rhetoric and we all know the physical work is what matters most. If you ask them to lead you to their facility so you can get some physical work in with them they balk . Again this is a sad scenario but predictable in it’s marketing plan. Money does make people do strange and sometimes un-scrupulous things.
                              Primum non nocere

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                              • Dirt, who do you believe has the most complete hitting information available as it pertains to the best hitters that have ever played the game?

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