Who is responsible in this situation?

[Kings over Queens]

13/14 U Travel Ball, High School Rules.

Kid comes to bat and apparently strikes out. I say apparently because nobody saw the Ump ring him up. He was not very demonstrative in announcing balls or strikes and definitely didn't "punch him out" on strike 3. At the same time nobody saw the Ump's communicate (confirm) 2 outs with each other. So this kid doesn't realize he's struck out, never leaves the box and receives another round of pitches and apparently strikes out again for what is the 3rd out of the inning.

My question is who is responsible to remove the batter after he has been struck out?

The Home Plate Umpire?

The Base Umpire?

The Batter?

The On Deck Batter?

The Team Coach/Manager

The Team Scorekeeper?

For the sake of disclosure, I'm the score keeper, and in hindsight I see what happened. In my defense, I get distracted.

If you've seen the movie "UP," think "Squirell!" That's me. :stupidme:

[Jake Patterson]

13/14 U Travel Ball, High School Rules.

Kid comes to bat and apparently strikes out. I say apparently because nobody saw the Ump ring him up. He was not very demonstrative in announcing balls or strikes and definitely didn't "punch him out" on strike 3. At the same time nobody saw the Ump's communicate (confirm) 2 outs with each other. So this kid doesn't realize he's struck out, never leaves the box and receives another round of pitches and apparently strikes out again for what is the 3rd out of the inning.

My question is who is responsible to remove the batter after he has been struck out?

The Home Plate Umpire?

The Base Umpire?

The Batter?

The On Deck Batter?

The Team Coach/Manager

The Team Scorekeeper?

For the sake of disclosure, I'm the score keeper, and in hindsight I see what happened. In my defense, I get distracted.

If you've seen the movie "UP," think "Squirell!" That's me. :stupidme:

This seldom happen, but it is the head umpire's responsibility.... As a SK call time - if you missed it, you missed it. Don't compound the problem with ignoring it.

[soceric]

13/14 U Travel Ball, High School Rules.

Kid comes to bat and apparently strikes out. I say apparently because nobody saw the Ump ring him up. He was not very demonstrative in announcing balls or strikes and definitely didn't "punch him out" on strike 3. At the same time nobody saw the Ump's communicate (confirm) 2 outs with each other. So this kid doesn't realize he's struck out, never leaves the box and receives another round of pitches and apparently strikes out again for what is the 3rd out of the inning.

My question is who is responsible to remove the batter after he has been struck out?

The Home Plate Umpire?

The Base Umpire?

The Batter?

The On Deck Batter?

The Team Coach/Manager

The Team Scorekeeper?

For the sake of disclosure, I'm the score keeper, and in hindsight I see what happened. In my defense, I get distracted.

If you've seen the movie "UP," think "Squirell!" That's me. :stupidme:

I don't believe this is the umpires nor the official scorekeepers responsibility. The batter was removed when he struck out and the 2nd out was recorded. Upon re-entering the box, he's then an improper batter, bats out of order and strikes out for the 3rd out.

[Kings over Queens]

Who is "Responsible" to remove the batter after the first 3 strikes (out)? That is the question. I can't find the answer in the rule book.

There is no question upon review he was an illegal batter. There is question however about the sequence. The batter never left the box. It was seemingly a 6 strike at bat.

I submit that there are errors all around on this one, including my culpibility as well, and opportunities were missed to correct the situation. In hindsight I second quessed my record keeping. In hindsight it seemed like he had taken too many pitches, but the umpire never called him out and the batter never left the box, so I thought I had missed a few foul balls. There were siblings buzzing around and other distractions. Not an excuse on my part, in hindsight I should have spoken up, like Jake suggested.

Someone from our team (including me) should have spoken up or asked a question. I don't blame the other team at all. It isn't their job to make sure we bat in order, and if we make a mistake they are entitled to capitalize on that as allowed by the rules. That's baseball.

[soceric]

Who is "Responsible" to remove the batter after the first 3 strikes (out)? That is the question. I can't find the answer in the rule book.

There is no question upon review he was an illegal batter. There is question however about the sequence. The batter never left the box. It was seemingly a 6 strike at bat.

I submit that there are errors all around on this one, including my culpibility as well, and opportunities were missed to correct the situation. In hindsight I second quessed my record keeping. In hindsight it seemed like he had taken too many pitches, but the umpire never called him out and the batter never left the box, so I thought I had missed a few foul balls. There were siblings buzzing around and other distractions. Not an excuse on my part, in hindsight I should have spoken up, like Jake suggested.

Someone from our team (including me) should have spoken up or asked a question. I don't blame the other team at all. It isn't their job to make sure we bat in order, and if we make a mistake they are entitled to capitalize on that as allowed by the rules. That's baseball.

Maybe Jim Booth or Scorekeeper can chime in here. Everywhere I've played or coached, the score keeper wasn't supposed to proactively speak up. It was the teams responsibility to bat in order, know the count etc.

[Kings over Queens]

There is actually a rule that speaks to batting out of order: "The Umpire and scorekeeper shall not direct the attention of any person to the presence in the batters box of an improper batter. This rule is designed to require constant vigilance by the players and managers of both teams."

The term "official scorer" is mentioned in the book, but refers to another publication. Does this rule contimplate that in most youth sports situaitons each team keeps it's own book by it's own scorekeeper, usually a parent of a kid on that team? I don't know. It's an interesting issue, that is for sure.