Announcement

Collapse

Updated Baseball Fever Policy

Baseball Fever Policy

I. Purpose of this announcement:

This announcement describes the policies pertaining to the operation of Baseball Fever.

Baseball Fever is a moderated baseball message board which encourages and facilitates research and information exchange among fans of our national pastime. The intent of the Baseball Fever Policy is to ensure that Baseball Fever remains an extremely high quality, extremely low "noise" environment.

Baseball Fever is administrated by three principal administrators:
webmaster - Baseball Fever Owner
The Commissioner - Baseball Fever Administrator
Macker - Baseball Fever Administrator

And a group of forum specific super moderators. The role of the moderator is to keep Baseball Fever smoothly and to screen posts for compliance with our policy. The moderators are ALL volunteer positions, so please be patient and understanding of any delays you might experience in correspondence.

II. Comments about our policy:

Any suggestions on this policy may be made directly to the webmaster.

III. Acknowledgments:

This document was based on a similar policy used by SABR.

IV. Requirements for participation on Baseball Fever:

Participation on Baseball Fever is available to all baseball fans with a valid email address, as verified by the forum's automated system, which then in turn creates a single validated account. Multiple accounts by a single user are prohibited.

By registering, you agree to adhere to the policies outlined in this document and to conduct yourself accordingly. Abuse of the forum, by repeated failure to abide by these policies, will result in your access being blocked to the forum entirely.

V. Baseball Fever Netiquette:

Participants at Baseball Fever are required to adhere to these principles, which are outlined in this section.
a. All posts to Baseball Fever should be written in clear, concise English, with proper grammar and accurate spelling. The use of abbreviations should be kept to a minimum; when abbreviation is necessary, they should be either well-known (such as etc.), or explained on their first use in your post.

b. Conciseness is a key attribute of a good post.

c. Quote only the portion of a post to which you are responding.

d. Standard capitalization and punctuation make a large difference in the readability of a post. TYPING IN ALL CAPITALS is considered to be "shouting"; it is a good practice to limit use of all capitals to words which you wish to emphasize.

e. It is our policy NOT to transmit any defamatory or illegal materials.

f. Personal attacks of any type against Baseball Fever readers will not be tolerated. In these instances the post will be copied by a moderator and/or administrator, deleted from the site, then sent to the member who made the personal attack via a Private Message (PM) along with a single warning. Members who choose to not listen and continue personal attacks will be banned from the site.

g. It is important to remember that many contextual clues available in face-to-face discussion, such as tone of voice and facial expression, are lost in the electronic forum. As a poster, try to be alert for phrasing that might be misinterpreted by your audience to be offensive; as a reader, remember to give the benefit of the doubt and not to take umbrage too easily. There are many instances in which a particular choice of words or phrasing can come across as being a personal attack where none was intended.

h. The netiquette described above (a-g) often uses the term "posts", but applies equally to Private Messages.

VI. Baseball Fever User Signature Policy

A signature is a piece of text that some members may care to have inserted at the end of ALL of their posts, a little like the closing of a letter. You can set and / or change your signature by editing your profile in the UserCP. Since it is visible on ALL your posts, the following policy must be adhered to:

Signature Composition
Font size limit: No larger than size 2 (This policy is a size 2)
Style: Bold and italics are permissible
Character limit: No more than 500 total characters
Lines: No more than 4 lines
Colors: Most colors are permissible, but those which are hard to discern against the gray background (yellow, white, pale gray) should be avoided
Images/Graphics: Allowed, but nothing larger than 20k and Content rules must be followed

Signature Content
No advertising is permitted
Nothing political or religious
Nothing obscene, vulgar, defamatory or derogatory
Links to personal blogs/websites are permissible - with the webmaster's written consent
A Link to your Baseball Fever Blog does not require written consent and is recommended
Quotes must be attributed. Non-baseball quotes are permissible as long as they are not religious or political

Please adhere to these rules when you create your signature. Failure to do so will result in a request to comply by a moderator. If you do not comply within a reasonable amount of time, the signature will be removed and / or edited by an Administrator. Baseball Fever reserves the right to edit and / or remove any or all of your signature line at any time without contacting the account holder.

VII. Appropriate and inappropriate topics for Baseball Fever:

Most concisely, the test for whether a post is appropriate for Baseball Fever is: "Does this message discuss our national pastime in an interesting manner?" This post can be direct or indirect: posing a question, asking for assistance, providing raw data or citations, or discussing and constructively critiquing existing posts. In general, a broad interpretation of "baseball related" is used.

Baseball Fever is not a promotional environment. Advertising of products, web sites, etc., whether for profit or not-for-profit, is not permitted. At the webmaster's discretion, brief one-time announcements for products or services of legitimate baseball interest and usefulness may be allowed. If advertising is posted to the site it will be copied by a moderator and/or administrator, deleted from the site, then sent to the member who made the post via a Private Message (PM) along with a single warning. Members who choose to not listen and continue advertising will be banned from the site. If the advertising is spam-related, pornography-based, or a "visit-my-site" type post / private message, no warning at all will be provided, and the member will be banned immediately without a warning.

It is considered appropriate to post a URL to a page which specifically and directly answers a question posted on the list (for example, it would be permissible to post a link to a page containing home-road splits, even on a site which has advertising or other commercial content; however, it would not be appropriate to post the URL of the main page of the site). The site reserves the right to limit the frequency of such announcements by any individual or group.

In keeping with our test for a proper topic, posting to Baseball Fever should be treated as if you truly do care. This includes posting information that is, to the best of your knowledge, complete and accurate at the time you post. Any errors or ambiguities you catch later should be acknowledged and corrected in the thread, since Baseball Fever is sometimes considered to be a valuable reference for research information.

VIII. Role of the moderator:

When a post is submitted to Baseball Fever, it is forwarded by the server automatically and seen immediately. The moderator may:
a. Leave the thread exactly like it was submitted. This is the case 95% of the time.

b. Immediately delete the thread as inappropriate for Baseball Fever. Examples include advertising, personal attacks, or spam. This is the case 1% of the time.

c. Move the thread. If a member makes a post about the Marlins in the Yankees forum it will be moved to the appropriate forum. This is the case 3% of the time.

d. Edit the message due to an inappropriate item. This is the case 1% of the time. There have been new users who will make a wonderful post, then add to their signature line (where your name / handle appears) a tagline that is a pure advertisement. This tagline will be removed, a note will be left in the message so he/she is aware of the edit, and personal contact will be made to the poster telling them what has been edited and what actions need to be taken to prevent further edits.

The moderators perform no checks on posts to verify factual or logical accuracy. While he/she may point out gross errors in factual data in replies to the thread, the moderator does not act as an "accuracy" editor. Also moderation is not a vehicle for censorship of individuals and/or opinions, and the moderator's decisions should not be taken personally.

IX. Legal aspects of participation in Baseball Fever:

By submitting a post to Baseball Fever, you grant Baseball Fever permission to distribute your message to the forum. Other rights pertaining to the post remain with the ORIGINAL author, and you may not redistribute or retransmit any posts by any others, in whole or in part, without the express consent of the original author.

The messages appearing on Baseball Fever contain the opinions and views of their respective authors and are not necessarily those of Baseball Fever, or of the Baseball Almanac family of sites.

Sincerely,

Sean Holtz, Webmaster of Baseball Almanac & Baseball Fever
www.baseball-almanac.com | www.baseball-fever.com
"Baseball Almanac: Sharing Baseball. Sharing History."
See more
See less

Sons and Daughters, Baseball and Ballet

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #46
    Originally posted by tg643 View Post
    I heavily recommend if a girl is still a good baseball player by 7th grade and wants to play through high school, she makes the switch to softball. Startng in 7th grade, for the next three years the boys shoot past the girls physically.
    I would agree that 7th grade is about right. My 8th grade daughter is starting that transition this spring. About 2 months ago she decided she wanted to try out for the high school softball team and made varsity so we are just beginning the process of juggling both sports this week. Fortunately the high school softball season ends about the same time that league play begins in baseball. I suspect that this may be her last year in baseball, which is kind of sad after all these years, but it is probably time. I do think she is capable of making our high school's freshman B team next year based on her size and skill level as well as the likely pool of boys trying out. In this regard, she's 5' 10" and doesn't swing or throw like the vast majority of the softball players I've seen. That came from a lot of hard work on her part to develop her skills using information taught to her from a variety of sources including what I have learned reading this forum. Nevertheless, she knows she doesn't have a chance of making the sophomore team after that so my feeling is that her transition to softball will be complete next year. Our community does have a high school in-house rec baseball league so maybe she will continue there but her competitive baseball days are probably coming to an end.

    Comment


    • #47
      Originally posted by Roothog66 View Post
      I don't think you can overlook a very good point that Ursa was making. Let's admit it, to succeed in the workplace, most women have to deal with an environment that is male dominated. I think a girls deciding to stick with baseball and showing what it takes to succeed could be a strong indicator of someone who is going to go far in life. My own daughter played one year of baseball at the 8yo level where she dominated, but decided the next year that she "didn't want to play with boys." It was somewhat disappointing to me. I had started recruiting to put together an all-girl 9u team. A couple of years later, she really doesn't care much for sports, which kills Mom (a high school All-American softball and basketball player). Her passion is now Irish Dance. If you've ever been to one of those competitions, you'd understand how much I wish she'd stayed with baseball!
      Yeah, there's a reason that there's a TV series called "Dance Moms" and NOT one called "Baseball Dads." Those Moms would make us look like Quakers by comparison when it comes to overzealousness and self-delusion.

      But I appreciate your picking up on the learning lessons that come with co-education in sports. At some point, every kid will have to learn to deal with women in a competitive (i.e., workplace) environment. The sooner that the boys can fully adjust to treating women as equals and comrades (or superiors), the easier it will be to excel in that environment.

      Yes, it would be nice if more girls could stay with baseball through high school, but their self-interest dictates that they move over to softball at some point. A cousin's daughter was an all-star catcher with the boys' teams through elementary and middle school, but ultimately realized that she'd topped out at 5'3" at age 12, and the boys were surpassing her. But the toughness developed in the boys game served her well in softball. And she did avoid one recurring problem - umpires insisting that she wear a protective cup when behind the plate.
      sigpicIt's not whether you fall -- everyone does -- but how you come out of the fall that counts.

      Comment


      • #48
        Originally posted by The Glovedoctor View Post
        My wife operates a very large dance studio with a ballet foundation (Royal Academy of Dance syllabus). I can tell you that the girls there don't practice, they train. The serious ones take probably 10 classes a week, and they are all exceptional athletes. Females are different, yes - but to say they are not at a males level are ridiculous. Females can do amazing things with their bodies (please, keep it clean). Playing baseball is not conventional for women, but I invite everyone to google LSU's Mo Isom - a fantastic womans soccer player who is very capable of being on the Tiger football team. It's not likely to happen, but she is capable and it is a possibility.

        Anyway, my point is - respect the ladies.
        "We reviewed her skill, the things she can do and do well," Miles said at his post practice press briefing. "We kind of felt like there's four guys on the team right now that would be ahead of anybody that tried out the other day, including Mo. I told her that today.

        She could never make a major Div 1A football powerhouse. Coach Miles let her try out, I would bet, only to minimize any criticism had he told her to pound salt.

        I wonder if motherhood could be considered a career? Because that is what my four daughters are aspiring to acheive.

        Comment


        • #49
          Originally posted by tradosaurus View Post
          I wonder if motherhood could be considered a career?
          I feel there is a bigger problem in this country with fatherhood than motherhood...

          I would consider it one of the most noble jobs on earth, but it's only a part of what a person can become...
          "He who dares to teach, must never cease to learn."
          - John Cotton Dana (1856–1929) - Offered to many by L. Olson - Iowa (Teacher)
          Please read Baseball Fever Policy and Forum FAQ before posting.

          Comment


          • #50
            Originally posted by Jake Patterson View Post
            I feel there is a bigger problem in this country with fatherhood than motherhood...

            I would consider it one of the most noble jobs on earth, but it's only a part of what a person can become...
            Yep. This is very true.

            Comment


            • #51
              Originally posted by tradosaurus View Post
              I wonder if motherhood could be considered a career? Because that is what my four daughters are aspiring to acheive.
              Being a Mom is the most important "career" there is. Pains me to see a woman dismissed or pitied because she's "just a stay at home mom." What job in the world is more valuable than that?

              At the same time, if a woman decides she wants to play baseball, or become a firefighter, or a corporate CEO, or even President of the U.S.A., I say more power to her, have at it. Doesn't offend me in the least.

              Comment


              • #52
                There are absolutely zero issues with a woman choosing to be a stay at home mom. My wife is and I'm proud of her. The PROBLEM is that men are rarely men anymore. So let me ask you Trado, when one of your daughters' husbands leaves her and her kids (statistics certainly lean towards it happening), what have you done to train her in order to take on the world? Or have you successfully trained them to be nothing but mindless slaves to men, only taught to "obey". Personally, my daughter will be taught to take care of herself. Baseball is a wonderful life lesson. Softball may be in her future some day, maybe not. For now, she loves playing baseball, she's pretty dang good at it, so I'm happy to help her be her best at whatever she chooses.

                Comment


                • #53
                  Originally posted by OnTheBench View Post
                  I would agree that 7th grade is about right. My 8th grade daughter is starting that transition this spring. About 2 months ago she decided she wanted to try out for the high school softball team and made varsity so we are just beginning the process of juggling both sports this week. Fortunately the high school softball season ends about the same time that league play begins in baseball. I suspect that this may be her last year in baseball, which is kind of sad after all these years, but it is probably time. I do think she is capable of making our high school's freshman B team next year based on her size and skill level as well as the likely pool of boys trying out. In this regard, she's 5' 10" and doesn't swing or throw like the vast majority of the softball players I've seen. That came from a lot of hard work on her part to develop her skills using information taught to her from a variety of sources including what I have learned reading this forum. Nevertheless, she knows she doesn't have a chance of making the sophomore team after that so my feeling is that her transition to softball will be complete next year. Our community does have a high school in-house rec baseball league so maybe she will continue there but her competitive baseball days are probably coming to an end.
                  There has been a transition the past few years with softball hitters from linear to rotational. It's been aided by the college and 18U Gold ASA pitching distance beong moved back three feet to 43 feet. My daughter is six years removcd from high school. I don't know the current high school pitching distance.

                  My daughter hit left and was fast. Some people told me I should make her a slapper. Not knowing better I taught her rotational and how to bunt. It had her ahead of the pack.

                  It is important to learn the quick release of a softball player versus a baseball throw. The game is fast given it's on a small field.

                  Comment


                  • #54
                    If we can't stay on topic I'll shut the thread down. I feel both sides are at such a different point WRT to the subject that further discussion is fruitless.
                    "He who dares to teach, must never cease to learn."
                    - John Cotton Dana (1856–1929) - Offered to many by L. Olson - Iowa (Teacher)
                    Please read Baseball Fever Policy and Forum FAQ before posting.

                    Comment


                    • #55
                      First to Bama Yankee, I understand your daughter wants to play baseball but to be honest, I'd have her make the move to softball if you think softball is something that might be in her future. If she has as much talent as I think she might have, find a good travel ball team and allow her the opportunity to develop friendships that will last a lifetime. My daughter is playing college softball. She was blessed to get on a great travel ball team where she has those friendships. In fact, last night when she went back to college, one of her travel ball teammates was waiting at her college apartment to spend the night. My daughter would never change any of that.

                      tradosaurus, I hope and pray that your daughters meet men who treat them right. My family makes it no secret that we are strong in our faith. I sometimes think that positions such as you support are based upon at least a portion of that belief system. Still, that does not mean that a woman's place in the home is to be a servant to the man. When you speak of roles, both the man and woman have so many roles that I don't think there is a "traditional" place in the home anymore. My wife and I will celebrate our 29th anniversary the 23rd of this month. We are a partnership. We have also raised our daughter to stand up for herself. When she eventually gets married, I am sure that she will look for a Christian man who treats her as an equal and not subservient.

                      Per you statment about athletic abilities. At 13 or 14, my daughter could have started on our freshman baseball team. She was better than at least 2 or 3 starters. I know that because she attending every baseball clinic I gave until after her 14 birthday. After that, she went to softball clinics. She could hit balls off our varsity field fence at 14. She threw better than most of the boys. She hit with wood most of her life and hit baseballs in practice instead of softballs off of a ATEC Rookie machine set up at 35 feet. At 14, she was 5'8" tall and could box squat 175 lbs. She squatted 185 as a freshman and now squats 200+. In the weight room, she can put many of the boys to shame. Sure by the time the boys were sophomores they passed her up. I won't disagree that by her senior year, those boys were better at every phase of baseball. Still, none of them could hit her when she pitched and believe me, they tried. The age the OP is dealing with is in that area where the boys are just beginning to develop and pass the girls. I know that there are many who would argue that the Baylor team that just won the National Championship could not beat a boy's high school varsity basketball team. I'm betting that there are several boy's varsity basketball teams in this country that they could beat. JMHO!
                      Granny said Sonny stick to your guns if you believe in something no matter what. Because it's better to be hated for who you are than to be loved for who you're not.

                      Comment


                      • #56
                        I just wanted to post a quick little tid bit from "my world". For many years I was a motorcycle road racer. It's male dominated just like every top tier sport. There are a few female road racers, but they never make it to the top... until now. Last month the first female in the history of road racing won at Daytona, one of the biggest races in the US.

                        http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/...?article=47601

                        Now, I know what some of you are thinking... this is nothing like a "physical" sport like baseball. Make no mistake, this has zero comparison with racing of the 4-wheeled variety. Motorcycle racers are some of the most fit athletes on the planet. Any pro racer's routine would put any pro baseball player's routine to absolute shame. I'm not joking and I'm not exaggerating. The amount of physical exhaustion you go through to throw a 400lb motorcycle around for 30+ minutes is insane. I liken it to sprinting as hard as you can, while stopping to dead lift 200lbs, throw it down and sprint again. The only break you get is while going down the straights. Every muscle in your body changes what the motorcycle does. I remember one time while racing in the GA heat (it was 94 degrees that day and 70% humidity) and as I pulled into my pit at race end, I fell over and passed out from exhaustion. Anyhow, I just wanted to post this up for the OP and everyone else to show that females are capable of some amazing things when given the chance. Elena is a pro rider, meaning she gets paid to race. I've been watching her since she was 12 and I'll fully admit, she'd hand me my tail on my best of days. I also know that she's one of the most polite, well mannered, women I've ever had the chance to meet.

                        Comment


                        • #57
                          Maybe it's just me, but I think this thread has just derailed....


                          Edited with the following:
                          Just thought I'd mention that my comment above was not in response to clayadams comments.
                          I think the post that prompted me to write my comment may have been deleted by a moderator...
                          Last edited by johnlanza; 04-10-2012, 08:56 AM.

                          Comment


                          • #58
                            Originally posted by johnlanza View Post
                            Maybe it's just me, but I think this thread has just derailed....
                            Yep. I appreciate your insights and encouragements. I think I am most happy that she is developing an interest in the game of baseball. If she feels confident enough in the fall to try it, then great. If she just wants to go see our minor league team play with her dad then that is pretty cool, too.

                            Comment

                            Working...
                            X