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    Deleted, found the answer
    Last edited by Mark R; 04-15-2012, 11:14 AM.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Mark R View Post
    Steal attempt at third, great throw and the 3rd baseman drops the ball at the tag. Does this get scored as an error on the 3rd baseman?
    Thanks
    From the OBR - 10.07(f):
    "When in the scorer’s judgment a runner attempting to steal is safe because of a muffed throw, the official scorer shall not credit a stolen base. The official scorer shall credit an assist to the fielder who made the throw, charge an error to the fielder who muffed the throw and charge the runner with “caught stealing.”

    EDIT: Oops, typing while you were deleting.....but I'm gonna leave it. I looked it up, because I wasn't 100% positive of the answer off the top of my head (in fact, I never really gave it much thought, and was scoring it wrong all these years....bigger "oops" :blush, so there may be others who also might like to confirm the answer for themselves......unless I was the only one, and in that case......"dang it!!". :stupidme:
    Last edited by mudvnine; 04-15-2012, 11:26 AM.
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    • #3
      “Steal attempt at third, great throw and the 3rd baseman drops the ball at the tag. Does this get scored as an error on the 3rd baseman?”

      I’ve scored a few errors over the years in that situation, but they’ve been very few and very far between. The big problem with me is, I’m usually 100’-200’ from the play, and that’s a bad position to be when you’re trying to determine whether or not the throw would definitely have gotten the runner, whether something blocked the player receiving the throws vision or distracted him, or a host of other things.

      For me there has to be absolutely no question about what the outcome would have been,
      The pitcher who’s afraid to throw strikes, will soon be standing in the shower with the hitter who's afraid to swing.

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      • #4
        If he was going to be out by a few inches, no. If the runner fell asleep or was badly fooled by a pick off move and was out by a few feet until the drop, then yes, E5. Each scorer designates his own line in the sand, and they will be closer than you'd think I'll bet.
        "Herman Franks to Sal Yvars to Bobby Thomson. Ralph Branca to Bobby Thomson to Helen Rita... cue Russ Hodges."

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        • #5
          Originally posted by StanTheMan View Post
          If he was going to be out by a few inches, no. If the runner fell asleep or was badly fooled by a pick off move and was out by a few feet until the drop, then yes, E5. Each scorer designates his own line in the sand, and they will be closer than you'd think I'll bet.
          I suspect you’re very right with experienced scorers. Of course inexperienced scorers will have problems just like anyone else trying to do something with little experience. But I find the most differences come between scorers and coaches. Most coaches refuse to believe they aren’t the ultimate in knowing how something should be scored, even if they’ve never even heard of rule 10.0, let alone having read and understand it.
          The pitcher who’s afraid to throw strikes, will soon be standing in the shower with the hitter who's afraid to swing.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by scorekeeper View Post
            But I find the most differences come between scorers and coaches. Most coaches refuse to believe they aren’t the ultimate in knowing how something should be scored, even if they’ve never even heard of rule 10.0, let alone having read and understand it.
            I see you've visited my son's coach pitch league? Say hi next time. We're the Cardinals (luckily!).
            "Herman Franks to Sal Yvars to Bobby Thomson. Ralph Branca to Bobby Thomson to Helen Rita... cue Russ Hodges."

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