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    With all the information that's available this still happens... One high school pitcher throws 154 - the other 193 pitches...

    http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1355247
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  • #2
    Pretty sad, unless they happen to be Marshall pitchers. Though I wonder if Dr. Marshall would even be ok with that many pitches.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by clayadams View Post
      Pretty sad, unless they happen to be Marshall pitchers. Though I wonder if Dr. Marshall would even be ok with that many pitches.
      I doubt it...
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      • #4
        We had a pitcher throw 124 pitches against us in a game on Monday, then throw another 45 pitches against us on Wednesday of the same week. The sad thing is that the kid is only a freshman. At this rate, he won't last.
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        • #5
          HS baseball has been a learning experience for this family at the Fresh. level anyway. We had a kid throw 108 in a game and the had the same coach warm him up two days later to middle relieve until the dad said something to him. My kid has went 88, 65 & 74 in his starts this year. I made it clear to the coach after the 88p 6 inning start that I didnt want to see that again. I have and will keep my distance but pitches will be counted by dad.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by 2Lefties View Post
            HS baseball has been a learning experience for this family at the Fresh. level anyway. We had a kid throw 108 in a game and the had the same coach warm him up two days later to middle relieve until the dad said something to him. My kid has went 88, 65 & 74 in his starts this year. I made it clear to the coach after the 88p 6 inning start that I didnt want to see that again. I have and will keep my distance but pitches will be counted by dad.
            Just out of curiosity, after he was taken out, did the opposing team pound the relievers into oblivion?

            Keep up the good work! Believe me, if you don’t, its just a crapshoot as to whether or not anyone else will.
            The pitcher who’s afraid to throw strikes, will soon be standing in the shower with the hitter who's afraid to swing.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by 2Lefties View Post
              HS baseball has been a learning experience for this family at the Fresh. level anyway. We had a kid throw 108 in a game and the had the same coach warm him up two days later to middle relieve until the dad said something to him. My kid has went 88, 65 & 74 in his starts this year. I made it clear to the coach after the 88p 6 inning start that I didnt want to see that again. I have and will keep my distance but pitches will be counted by dad.
              Just curious - whats wrong with 88 pitches in 6 innings? That's less than 15 pitches an inning. Pretty good in my opinion. Was it after only a day or two rest or some other factor or do you feel that 88p. is too high?
              - not judging, just interested in the thought process.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by scorekeeper View Post
                Just out of curiosity, after he was taken out, did the opposing team pound the relievers into oblivion?

                Keep up the good work! Believe me, if you don’t, its just a crapshoot as to whether or not anyone else will.
                This is why the coaches keep them in the game so long! They are afraid that if they put in any other pitcher that they will end up losing the game. And as the article describes, these coaches need to win to keep in good standings with the school (i.e. not get replaced) and they have so few pitchers.

                I don't think its right by any means. I would take my chances with a relieving pitcher, but I get the argument of why they keep them in their so long.

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                • #9
                  What about the catchers?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by JCincy View Post
                    What about the catchers?
                    A catcher is not throwing curve balls or at max speed every pitch.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by scorekeeper View Post
                      Just out of curiosity, after he was taken out, did the opposing team pound the relievers into oblivion?
                      Boy that threw 108 went 6 innings 2-2 game, Next kid went 3 shutout innings

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                      • #12
                        88 pitches would have been fine if it were later in the year but this was his first start. Other factors to consider as well like weather, getting pounded, too many balls and it would vary on the kid and his ability but a couple of kids on his team just do not change speeds well and really have poor mech. and I fear for there health if they go 60+ pitches. My kid was pretty tired mentally later that evening and the next day his drive leg and calf, core were sore which was to be expected.

                        Either way thats the tops for me as his father and summer coach. FWIW I was not too worried b/c he's fairly solid mechanically and changes speeds well but at a young 15 years of age properly preparing to reach that point is equally important. At the fresh. level God Bless these guys for taking the time to coach but make sure you keep an eye on the arms.
                        Last edited by 2Lefties; 04-18-2012, 03:12 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by jbolt_2000 View Post
                          This is why the coaches keep them in the game so long! They are afraid that if they put in any other pitcher that they will end up losing the game. And as the article describes, these coaches need to win to keep in good standings with the school (i.e. not get replaced) and they have so few pitchers.

                          I don't think its right by any means. I would take my chances with a relieving pitcher, but I get the argument of why they keep them in their so long.
                          The whole paradigm seems amazingly stupid to me, if its based on the belief that the coaches out there are able and interested in developing as many pitchers as possible, because that’s simply not happening. All the tales of coaches at every level creating and then developing pitchers, then to see them continually run only a few guys out there, seems incongruous to say the least.

                          This isn’t a condemnation of coaches, but the truth is, its danged difficult to teach and develop pitching! Heck, look at the pros. They’re supposedly getting on the cream of the crop, and yet when you see many of these guys throw, you wonder what the heck is going on. Now think about the millions of kids pitching at all levels below the pros, and you have to think there’s something wrong with the paradigm.

                          To me its simple. The more kids that pitch, the more pitchers will be developed. Giving only 3 pitchers over 70% of all the innings when you have 7 pitchers says something about your confidence in your own abilities to teach.
                          The pitcher who’s afraid to throw strikes, will soon be standing in the shower with the hitter who's afraid to swing.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Jake Patterson View Post
                            With all the information that's available this still happens... One high school pitcher throws 154 - the other 193 pitches...

                            http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1355247
                            There's a local "university legend" that I've heard speak numerous times that has bragged that he has went consecutive seasons without ever making a pitching change. I know that one of his pitchers threw 232 pitches in an extra inning game. But, everyone, will acknowledge that he's a "great coach" ... and probably even "one of the all-time greats".

                            Sadly, one of the few things that would change the situation is if Tulane and LSU coaches call and essentially ask "WTF?"

                            It takes a helluva coach (sarcasm) to cheer on his D1 ace for 150+ pitches. That takes a lot of skill.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by CircleChange11 View Post
                              There's a local "university legend" that I've heard speak numerous times that has bragged that he has went consecutive seasons without ever making a pitching change. I know that one of his pitchers threw 232 pitches in an extra inning game. But, everyone, will acknowledge that he's a "great coach" ... and probably even "one of the all-time greats".

                              Sadly, one of the few things that would change the situation is if Tulane and LSU coaches call and essentially ask "WTF?"

                              It takes a helluva coach (sarcasm) to cheer on his D1 ace for 150+ pitches. That takes a lot of skill.
                              It would be interesting to track down his pitchers and see if they have arm problems...
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