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  • #16
    Originally posted by AL_DAD View Post
    I spoke to the Father yestaerday and he was very receptive. His biggest complaint was that his son goes to a Pitching coach all winter and the coach did not see the problem. I sent him a ton of the photos that I have of his son and he will go over it with him. His son was always a big dude and would over power kids in his age group but not anymore. I am going to try and video tape his next outing as well as my son's next outing to see if I can run a comparison.
    We have two kids that use a pitching coach. Last tournament I sent several photos to one of our dads that is very similar to this photo with the difference being our player was reaching the ball up to the sky and his arm was completely extended. How can a former D-1 pitcher who is currently a pitching coach not pick up on that immediately?

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    • #17
      I'm sure there are many, many great pitching coaches, but...

      I know 5 or 6 HS pitchers that have used well-known former MLB pitchers for lessons for 2+ years. Their mechanics are awful, some have been injured, and none of them start varsity. Yet, their dads are still star-struck.

      This doesn't mean that former MLB pitchers are good, or bad. It just means that you need to realistically evaluate your instruction experience.
      Last edited by songtitle; 05-01-2012, 09:25 AM.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by songtitle View Post
        I'm sure there are many, many great pitching coaches, but...

        I know 5 or 6 HS pitchers that have used well-known former MLB pitchers for lessons for 2+ years. Their mechanics are awful, some have been injured, and none of them start varsity. Yet, their dads are still star-struck.

        This doesn't mean that former MLB pitchers are good, or bad. It just means that you need to realistically evaluate your instruction experience.
        "Bad Information from Credible sources"!
        It took me years to find the right Hitting and Pitching coach for my son. Once I vetted the non teaching "Coaches", I was and am happy that I have found the perfect combination. I feel if the coach doesn't try and improve himself, then the chance of my son improving is basically zilch. There are only so many lessons that I can watch that the student is doing the same drills over and over. It gets boring for me, I cant even imagine how boring it is for my son. One of the biggest reasons that I chose his hitting instructor was because he had a masters in child psychology and he gets to my son either with hitting drills or with mental drills.
        Many Theories – One Outcome

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        • #19
          My big hangup with the whole pitching coach profession is that it seems to be primarily based upon who can collect the greatest "stable" of pitchers, and not necessarily how each pitcher has improved under their guidance.

          From reading this thread, seems like I could charge $100/hour (Professional Biology (Pre-Med) Degree, Masters of Science (Ed Admin), and former college pitcher) for lessons. I don't because I don't believe I should charge for private lessons. While in college I was able to work with 3 ex-MLB pitchers, 2 of them were making their (successful) comeback. They did not charge me a penny to be around them and have them show me stuff ... although one said I was only allowed to "teach this stuff to other lefties", righties were on their own. So, what I do is basically give instruction to players that are on our travel teams in small group sessions. I might need to rethink that idea.

          We use video to analyze mechanics and we keep bullpen session charts to record progress in accuracy, etc. If your instruction does not produce positive changes in mechanics and accuracy and if you can't demonstrate it, then they are wasting their money.

          Around here there seems to be quite a bit of emphasis on "who" a pitcher works with rather than how good of a pitcher the kid is. "He's with X" "He goes to Y" or "He's with ABC out of the XYZ area". Whether the kid can pitch nor not seems to be secondary.

          I will say, with pride, that almost every tournament we go to someone asks me "Who does he work with?" in regards to my son, and I get to say "Me". That's a nice feeling, because in the world of baseball who's who ... I'm a no-name.

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          If parents are reading this, I would strongly encourage you to get the following items from your kid's pitching coach: [1] Before/After photos or video, [2] detailed descriptions of the changes and why the changes were made (in baseball or science terms), [3] charts each week that show the location of the pitches throw to illustrate whether pitching accuracy has improved.

          If the coach cannot or will not provide these, then you're probably just paying for a babysitting service or for the t-shirt/reputation.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Chris O'Leary View Post
            While the kid could have come up with this all on his own, it's also possible that a cue that the coach used could have created or worsened the problem.
            yes. there are quite a few pitching coaches who teach that in order to get more "stretch" and "separation". they want that late and hard forearm turnover to create more arm lag and stretch reflex. this also can work to some degree but comes at the price of high impact on the arm.

            a player might squeeze out an additional MPH or two but it would be better to create that by good actions downstairs instead of extreme actions.
            I now have my own non commercial blog about training for batspeed and power using my training experience in baseball and track and field.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by dominik View Post
              yes. there are quite a few pitching coaches who teach that in order to get more "stretch" and "separation". they want that late and hard forearm turnover to create more arm lag and stretch reflex. this also can work to some degree but comes at the price of high impact on the arm.

              a player might squeeze out an additional MPH or two but it would be better to create that by good actions downstairs instead of extreme actions.
              I feel like I've heard that somewhere before.
              Hitting Coordinator for Harris-Stowe State University in St. Louis.

              I also work with the pitchers who are dealing with injury problems.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Chris O'Leary View Post
                I feel like I've heard that somewhere before.
                didn't you have some arguements with nyman over this? I think he said that there is no proof that those actions really hurt the arm and injuries are mostly "genetics".
                I now have my own non commercial blog about training for batspeed and power using my training experience in baseball and track and field.

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                • #23
                  Wow! My shoulder hurts just looking at that. I hope you can help him fix that and prolong his career

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by DClutch View Post
                    Wow! My shoulder hurts just looking at that. I hope you can help him fix that and prolong his career
                    When I saw that, I thought "Zumaya", although Joel's mechanics are less severe than this kid's.

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                    • #25
                      How do we correct this? In the video it still looks like he does the same thing. His father had a talk with him. Is there a drill he can do?




                      http://youtu.be/dwG_NOZNyks?hd=1
                      Many Theories – One Outcome

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by AL_DAD View Post
                        How do we correct this? In the video it still looks like he does the same thing. His father had a talk with him. Is there a drill he can do?

                        You're going to have to break down the motion into a couple of "pieces" and have him do it over and over again. Example, first he does his stride and stop at the "equal opposite" portion of the whole delivery. Glove should be pointing at the target with the ball pointing straight back towards second base or 3rd. He'll have to do it over and over again. Then move onto the next portion of the delivery, one step at a time. It's going to be hard changing this, because he's going to have to "think" about pitching again. Right now he just throws the way he always has, he doesn't think about any piece of his delivery. It's all muscle memory. The only way you'll really break this habit is to make something else muscle memory. He's going to pitch "bad" for a while, most likely. It'll take all season unless he's an advanced motor skills learner. This is just my opinion, but that's how I'd go about doing it.

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                        • #27
                          I believe if he fixes this, he can be a better pitcher. His velocity has gone down every year,and I believe "this" is the culprit.
                          Many Theories – One Outcome

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by AL_DAD View Post
                            How do we correct this? In the video it still looks like he does the same thing. His father had a talk with him. Is there a drill he can do?
                            What was he taught? Thumb to thigh?

                            I teach pinkie to thigh for this reason.

                            He also needs to keep his thumb pointed up during his arm swing (supination), not down.
                            Hitting Coordinator for Harris-Stowe State University in St. Louis.

                            I also work with the pitchers who are dealing with injury problems.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Chris O'Leary View Post
                              What was he taught? Thumb to thigh?

                              I teach pinkie to thigh for this reason.

                              He also needs to keep his thumb pointed up during his arm swing (supination), not down.
                              Not exactly sure what he was taught, but I like your cue of pinkie to the thigh. I told him about keeping his thumb pointed up, but I guess it will take more than on practice for him to get it. I will let his dad know aout the pinkie cue.
                              Many Theories – One Outcome

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by d-mac View Post
                                We have two kids that use a pitching coach. Last tournament I sent several photos to one of our dads that is very similar to this photo with the difference being our player was reaching the ball up to the sky and his arm was completely extended. How can a former D-1 pitcher who is currently a pitching coach not pick up on that immediately?
                                Just because you can play the game doesn't mean you can teach it and vice versa.

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