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  • #61
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    Last edited by songtitle; 12-07-2012, 10:14 AM.
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    • #62
      I have mentioned a 10 year old in our area that is off the charts in just about every category. Here is a small blurb about him.

      http://www.sequoyahcountytimes.com/s...a4bcf6878.html

      Now here is my question. If you were the parent of a kid that can throw 70+ at 10 years old, how would you handle the situation? Would you put him on a national team, would you play league and hire a pitching coach, would you just let him develop naturally, etc.? Just curious of everyone's thoughts.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by d-mac View Post
        I have mentioned a 10 year old in our area that is off the charts in just about every category. Here is a small blurb about him.

        http://www.sequoyahcountytimes.com/s...a4bcf6878.html

        Now here is my question. If you were the parent of a kid that can throw 70+ at 10 years old, how would you handle the situation? Would you put him on a national team, would you play league and hire a pitching coach, would you just let him develop naturally, etc.? Just curious of everyone's thoughts.
        That's pretty good for a 10 y.o. Of course many things can happen between 10 to 18 y.o.

        There is a kid on our 14U select team that I was told was top notch as a 10.y.o. Now he is below average as a 14 y.o.

        I hope that this kid's arm is managed correctly so that he will have a healthy high school career.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by tradosaurus View Post
          That's pretty good for a 10 y.o. Of course many things can happen between 10 to 18 y.o.

          There is a kid on our 14U select team that I was told was top notch as a 10.y.o. Now he is below average as a 14 y.o.

          I hope that this kid's arm is managed correctly so that he will have a healthy high school career.
          It listed him at 22 innings for the season. Control issues are the biggest reason for the lack of innings though. When we faced him, he K'd the first batter and then walked the next 5 and was pulled. Our kids couldn't even see the ball. In the kid's defense, the umpire couldn't pick up the ball either and he had quite a few strikes that were called balls. His future may not even be on the mound, it may be in CF. I see a lot of kids that are good now, that you can tell don't project very well as they get older. This kid seems like he should just get better and better. He has the build. Lanky, strong, fast, with an arm.

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          • #65
            22 innings? That would be remarkable for a spring /summer playing for an elite team..which went deep in nearly every big tournament. But again, that team has, or had, three kids who hit upper sixties, and I know they shut plenty of teams down. We never faced JW but I heard similar stories of him "hitting the mascot", and kids pumping each other up that their at-bats might be painful but take it.
            Having a stable of arms like that pretty much guarantees you'll be competitve, but are those kids' mechanics so "efficient" that they actually throw too hard for their age, is the question. I know one kid on that team got shut down at Disney for arm pain.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by raptor View Post
              22 innings? That would be remarkable for a spring /summer playing for an elite team..which went deep in nearly every big tournament. But again, that team has, or had, three kids who hit upper sixties, and I know they shut plenty of teams down. We never faced JW but I heard similar stories of him "hitting the mascot", and kids pumping each other up that their at-bats might be painful but take it.
              Having a stable of arms like that pretty much guarantees you'll be competitve, but are those kids' mechanics so "efficient" that they actually throw too hard for their age, is the question. I know one kid on that team got shut down at Disney for arm pain.
              The Wiggins kid has one of the most effortless releases I have seen. He has a very similar throwing motion to Ryne Stanek at Arkansas.

              Did you get the pm I sent you?

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              • #67
                Originally posted by d-mac View Post
                I have mentioned a 10 year old in our area that is off the charts in just about every category. Here is a small blurb about him.

                http://www.sequoyahcountytimes.com/s...a4bcf6878.html

                Now here is my question. If you were the parent of a kid that can throw 70+ at 10 years old, how would you handle the situation? Would you put him on a national team, would you play league and hire a pitching coach, would you just let him develop naturally, etc.? Just curious of everyone's thoughts.
                While I don't doubt that he can throw hard due to his arm action, I wonder how long his arm is going to hold up.



                What you see in this picture is common, but problematic.
                Hitting Coordinator for Harris-Stowe State University in St. Louis.

                I also work with the pitchers who are dealing with injury problems.

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                • #68
                  Chris is that late?
                  D-Mac Stanek is a Lincecum type build correct? Three quarters? I couldn't find video of him.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by raptor View Post
                    Chris is that late?
                    D-Mac Stanek is a Lincecum type build correct? Three quarters? I couldn't find video of him.
                    You can't see his feet, so I can't say if he's late or not.

                    However, the odds are that he will be late.

                    The thumb-down orientation, with a high back elbow, at this moment is problematic.

                    Shelby Miller of the Cardinals does the same thing and makes me nervous for the same reason.
                    Hitting Coordinator for Harris-Stowe State University in St. Louis.

                    I also work with the pitchers who are dealing with injury problems.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by raptor View Post
                      Chris is that late?
                      D-Mac Stanek is a Lincecum type build correct? Three quarters? I couldn't find video of him.
                      No, Stanek is tall and skinny.

                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X77G1_Y6vUc

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                      • #71
                        These are things we dont know about the big picture. Is this an early developing kid with a 5'8" father? We had a dominant kid like this in a nearby LL who grew an inch after LL. His 75 mph LL fastball peaked at 78 in high school JV ball.

                        I've been through this with my son. He was a Hoop Scoop Top 10 10U point guard in basketball. I thought is was absurd any magazine ranked ten year olds. My son was asked to play on one of the top AAU teams in the country. He would have been the only white kid in an otherwise all black team from the ghetto. The coach told me my kid was the quickest player ithe court. I liked the coach and kids. They were rivals we played in every tournament championship. But I wasn't going to allow my kid to get at caught up in one sport at ten. We approached basketball each year as business as usual until he stopped playing in high school when baseball and soccer became time consuming (son was also a college soccer prospect).

                        If this was my kid I would get him periodic pitching lessons so he doesn't hurt his arm. He would keep playing other sports. He would continue playing baseball with the same kids. At 13U i would look at the best travel experience in the area. If he's still a stud at fifteen he could tryout for the 16U national team. What I would not allow is a travel coach to use and abuse his arm as a meal ticket to tournament glory.
                        Last edited by tg643; 12-07-2012, 01:30 PM.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by d-mac View Post
                          I see a lot of kids that are good now, that you can tell don't project very well as they get older.
                          I'm curious. What are some specific things you see about these kids that tell you they don't project very well as the get older?

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by pcarnette View Post
                            I'm curious. What are some specific things you see about these kids that tell you they don't project very well as the get older?
                            On smaller preteen fields you will see some kids are outmuscling or outrunning the small field. The kid with the big fastball I mentioned in my last post was more legendary for hitting balls off the rooftops of the houses across the street from the right field fence. He was a strong righty who swung like a rusty gate. By high school freshman ball he wasn't a position player anymore.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by pcarnette View Post
                              I'm curious. What are some specific things you see about these kids that tell you they don't project very well as the get older?
                              I see a lot of big slow kids that can mash a baseball. Their lack of speed will kill them as they get older. I'm talking about some of the kids that are good, solely because they are bigger than everyone else. There is only room for one 1st baseman.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by tg643 View Post
                                These are things we dont know about the big picture. Is this an early developing kid with a 5'8" father? We had a dominant kid like this in a nearby LL who grew an inch after LL. His 75 mph LL fastball peaked at 78 in high school JV ball.

                                I've been through this with my son. He was a Hoop Scoop Top 10 10U point guard in basketball. I thought is was absurd any magazine ranked ten year olds. My son was asked to play on one of the top AAU teams in the country. He would have been the only white kid in an otherwise all black team from the ghetto. The coach told me my kid was the quickest player ithe court. I liked the coach and kids. They were rivals we played in every tournament championship. But I wasn't going to allow my kid to get at caught up in one sport at ten. We approached basketball each year as business as usual until he stopped playing in high school when baseball and soccer became time consuming (son was also a college soccer prospect).

                                If this was my kid I would get him periodic pitching lessons so he doesn't hurt his arm. He would keep playing other sports. He would continue playing baseball with the same kids. At 13U i would look at the best travel experience in the area. If he's still a stud at fifteen he could tryout for the 16U national team. What I would not allow is a travel coach to use and abuse his arm as a meal ticket to tournament glory.
                                fwiw, the kids mom ran track in college and the dad played football in college. Both are tall and the dad is a big strong guy.

                                Your last paragraph is really what I was looking for. The kid could end up the next Josh Hamilton or the next preteen superstar never to be heard from again. I'm just curious how everyone would handle a kid like this.

                                I have a friend whose daughter is 11 and she is a high level gymnast. They are looking at moving to Texas or Colorado so their daughter can train. I guess it's apples and oranges since the lifecycle of a gymnast is so short, but it amazes me how insane girls sports are compared to boys sports. This girl has trained 20+ hours per week since she was 6 or 7.

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