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  • JJA
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    Originally posted by syidewayz View Post
    but common sense does tell me if my kids throws X Amount Distance at 5, well at 7,10,12 he is going to throw harder and Farther as long as he keeps using those muscles, sure its going to peak at some point .
    Maybe, maybe not at 7, 10, 12. You'd be surprised about how kids develop at different rates. Some kids who are good very young get passed later, or sometimes not. I've seen a lot of variability so "common sense" isn't as easy as it may appear.

    Originally posted by syidewayz View Post

    But right now he is playing for right now.
    Bingo. My suggestion is to keep it that way for several years. Relax and enjoy the journey. It goes by very fast.

    Good luck - JJA

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  • pthawaii
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    Originally posted by syidewayz View Post
    I make a post and because he's young its all sarcasm, I see tons of vids on here of 7 and 8 yr olds
    I don't think anyone has issues with you posting vids of your son.

    Originally posted by syidewayz View Post
    because my son is 5 he's not allowed to love the game and be as serious as the next kid? regardless of age?
    I don't think anyone has issues with your son loving the game. In fact, they seem to keep repeating that's the most important thing.

    Originally posted by syidewayz View Post
    I was Told on this same post age doesn't matter.
    Matter to what? It doesn't matter that he's 4.8 playing U7 as it relates to your question about bat speed. His age does matter as it relates to what you want to teach him (complex baseball skills are often lost with young kids). So it depends on what you're referring to as mattering.

    Originally posted by syidewayz View Post
    Look on youtube tons of 2,3,4,5 yr old "Worlds greatest" baseball , football ,soccer player,
    True. I don't have a single friend or person I spend time with that posts vids on youtube titled like that, for example, "8 YEAR OLD PHENOM!" Just not my style. I'd go as far to say that most on this forum would probably not be the type to make such posts either (which is maybe why I like this forum so much). I guess in short, yes there are those videos but that doesn't make it a good thing.

    Originally posted by syidewayz View Post
    But right now he is playing for right now.
    Great man great. It's tough to hear all these posts and not get defensive. Really tough, I get it. I hope you keep posting here, would love to watch your boy grow up playing and loving baseball. Maybe that's why I spent time writing this, even though I suspect there is a very good chance it won't make a difference. Then again, like you said, anything can happen

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  • tradosaurus
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    Originally posted by syidewayz View Post
    I make a post and because he's young its all sarcasm, I see tons of vids on here of 7 and 8 yr olds

    because my son is 5 he's not allowed to love the game and be as serious as the next kid? regardless of age?

    I was Told on this same post age doesn't matter .

    Look on youtube tons of 2,3,4,5 yr old "Worlds greatest" baseball , football ,soccer player, Etc Vids
    its a digital world and every kid is growing up and showed off on youtube.

    I'm not worried about 10 years from now everyone is saying his skill will level out with the rest if the kids,

    I never asked what anyone thought of his future or to try and predict it.

    Just because little johnny was great at 4 in t ball and failed in coach pitch or kid pitch (Which I have also seen)
    Doesn't mean it happens to all kids , just like the horrible T-ball player who's now in the MLB .
    Anything can happen

    but common sense does tell me if my kids throws X Amount Distance at 5, well at 7,10,12 he is going to throw harder and Farther as long as he keeps using those muscles, sure its going to peak at some point

    But right now he is playing for right now.
    If you don't see that having your son's own website illustrating his baseball prowess at 4 y.o. is not over the top then you are just waiting to set yourself up for possible disappointment in his later years.

    Your son maybe 6'-5" 230 lb pitcher in high school or he may just be a 5'-7" 125 lb JV player or he may give up entirely. Who knows? Who cares?

    Just enjoy (privately) each of your son's baseball games.

    Common sense usually doesn't come in to play with over zealous parents. I know because I was one of them with my first son. Fortunately I didn't have internet back then.

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  • bbrages
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    At this age, I'd say "keep it fun". And playing wiffle ball games indoors sounds like a lot of fun...

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  • syidewayz
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    I make a post and because he's young its all sarcasm, I see tons of vids on here of 7 and 8 yr olds

    because my son is 5 he's not allowed to love the game and be as serious as the next kid? regardless of age?

    I was Told on this same post age doesn't matter .

    Look on youtube tons of 2,3,4,5 yr old "Worlds greatest" baseball , football ,soccer player, Etc Vids
    its a digital world and every kid is growing up and showed off on youtube.

    I'm not worried about 10 years from now everyone is saying his skill will level out with the rest if the kids,

    I never asked what anyone thought of his future or to try and predict it.

    Just because little johnny was great at 4 in t ball and failed in coach pitch or kid pitch (Which I have also seen)
    Doesn't mean it happens to all kids , just like the horrible T-ball player who's now in the MLB .
    Anything can happen

    but common sense does tell me if my kids throws X Amount Distance at 5, well at 7,10,12 he is going to throw harder and Farther as long as he keeps using those muscles, sure its going to peak at some point

    But right now he is playing for right now.
    Last edited by syidewayz; 08-22-2012, 12:24 PM.

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  • CircleChange11
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    Originally posted by syidewayz View Post
    Wow, Lol just because your League plays 4-7 together means, nothing
    I brought it up because we can't be the only 15K community that has 4, 5, 6, 7 yo playing coach pitch together. In other words, in some areas it's not "playing up". That was my only point.

    You can see them side by side here......... Maybe not in your League but in our Leagues he is advanced for his age, sorry. Most T Ballers aren't throwing down a 60ft base path.
    Both of my boys are/were in the same situation. Either you and I are the absolute IT in regards to genetic contributions to the world, or there are talented/experienced kids at this age all over the place ... some have yet to be discovered because no one has worked with them.

    I am more than willing to admit that me and my sons are the pinnacle of manhood, if others wish to anoint us with that title. I'll try to be humble, but will accept the label if I have to. *grin* I'm even willing to wear a "Pinnacle of Manhood" t-shirt if you all deem that I should.

    My just-turned 11yo swung and missed in a game for the first time during 9yo LLAS, and gave up his first hit to the OF this year. I recall these two events because the WTF look on his face was priceless ... as if he was never going to swing and miss or give up a real hit. At age 8 I had him try out for a 10U team, just so he could have his arse handed to him, to teach him that he's going to have to work to be good. It backfired a bit because he held his own at the tryout and the only significant difference was running speed.

    My just turned 5yo at the kindergarten screening counted to 100, named all of his letters and their primary sounds, and identified 20 sight words. In other words, in pre-k screening, he "finished kindergarten". The stuff my 10yo was doing on the baseball field at 5, he's doing at 4. I bring this up because I haven't done anything with him. He plays ball with his brother and he plays "school" with his 8yo sister. My first inclination would be to think that I need to call Stanford and tell them to reserve him a scholarship for 2025. But, really, he's just gotten a lot more attention that other kids his age get. I don't need to make a website for him or have him move up grades and jump levels. He's going to likely do well in school and sports, not because of what level he plays at or what grade he is, but because of the environment/attention at home.

    I find it very unfortunate that so few kids get to experience an environment like this. The most impressive kid I have seen at my son's age is his friend Antonio. Antonio is a fellow Presidential Award winner, only his dad isn't an Administrator, but a prisoner. His mom isn't a school teacher, she's absent. He doesn't have older siblings that guide him, he has younger siblings that he takes care of. Society will call my kids gifted and talented because they thrive in an environment where they're given every advantage imaginable. I find kids like Antonio to be the real deal, because he's doing it with almost every obstacle imaginable.

    I get it that your kid is good at baseball, so are mine. I guess that's where I was hoping to connect with you personally and let you know "It's not that big of a deal." I say that as one who used to be a pitching coach and whose kid made me look "very smart" on a number of occasions and in large crowd settings ... and I'm still saying it's not that big of a deal. What will/would be a big deal is if he's 16yo and playing very well alongside 17yo and 18yo ... but that's so far away that I'm looking to just enjoy each day before he gets his driver's license and decides I'm not cool enough to hang out with anymore.

    I do admit that having a kid that can hang with kids 2-3 years older than them is pretty cool. But I'm also saying that it doesn't inherently mean what you might think it means. It could just mean "he's practiced more than everyone else", so take it slow. I'm not saying your kid is stupid or not that great.

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  • songtitle
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    Originally posted by pstein View Post
    How many of those pre-teen standouts are playing at high school or above?
    I know of one

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  • tg643
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    Originally posted by pstein View Post
    I always love listening to people say "My 10 year old is on All-Stars". Or the ones who talk about the 8 year old who throws really hard. Point is, you don't really know how good a kid is going to be until he hits 16-17. There are many who leave baseball before then, but the ones who are less than truly dedicated don't continue past that age.

    Puberty is a huge equalizer. I'm appalled that people would say (when a kid is 7) "Don't bother saving for college".

    How many of those pre-teen standouts are playing at high school or above?
    I ran travel teams for three years (13U, 14U and 16U). We didn't ahve tryouts. We handpicked players. We would get approached by parents asking if their kid could get on our team. If I didn't know who they are and asked about them I would get the ... "He's been an all-star since tee ball." I never cared. I only cared how they were now and their potential upside.

    The "don't need to save for college" was more of a compliment on my son's athletic ability than advice. But t was absurd. We saved anyway. My daughter did play college softball and receive a 75% ride. My son has a 75% ride. It's 25% athletic and 50% academic. We emphasized fitness and education in our house with a heavy emphasis on education. My daughter always joked any bumper sticker on our car would say, "My kids better make honor roll, or else." One time in elementary school my son didn't have his homework done in time for practice. I made him sit in the dugout, do his homework, then watch the rest of practice. It never happened again.

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  • tg643
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    Originally posted by pstein View Post
    I always love listening to people say "My 10 year old is on All-Stars". Or the ones who talk about the 8 year old who throws really hard. Point is, you don't really know how good a kid is going to be until he hits 16-17. There are many who leave baseball before then, but the ones who are less than truly dedicated don't continue past that age.

    Puberty is a huge equalizer. I'm appalled that people would say (when a kid is 7) "Don't bother saving for college".

    How many of those pre-teen standouts are playing at high school or above?
    My son's 9U travel team had the Fab4. I would cringe at the tag since my son was one of the four. Relative to being nine, two of them could bring it from the rubber and crush baseballs. The other two were very good line drive hitters with great speed. My son was so fast relative to the age if he bunted no one was going to throw him out. One of these kids made LL all-stars at twelve. Three played into middle school. Only one played high school ball. The two that could bring it grew to be 5'9" and 5'10." One of the fast kids grew to be 5'7".

    I asked the mother of one of the bashers where they would send him to high school. I was only asking because he was in a Catholic K-8 and his dad had been a stud basketball player at the neighboring high school and was an assistant coach. The mother told me the kid would go to the private that offered the best athletic scholarship. The kid wasn't playing one sport by high school. While he was a great shot in basketball (what coach's kid isn't?) he was a lead foot and had trouble running the court and getting open in middle school.

    The only time I ever think back on the Fab4 is when someone makes a delusional post about preteen. All I think back on LL is I made some great friends of parents during all-stars and a handful of game moments when someone mentions LL.

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  • cps
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    Originally posted by tg643 View Post
    Syidewayz ... Everything is aimed at an overzealous parent who is completely lacking in perspective. Your son plays for a team sponsored by the Giants at age 4.8? BFD. It doesn't mean a thing. You can impress your friends who don't know anything about baseball. I genuinely hope your son doesn't become a victim of your delusion. Your son doesn't get to go as far as he wants. At some point the game of baseball will tell him he doesn't get to go further. It even happens to MLB'ers. For most kids it happens before high school.
    Exactly.....

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  • lancers
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    Originally posted by pstein View Post
    I always love listening to people say "My 10 year old is on All-Stars". Or the ones who talk about the 8 year old who throws really hard. Point is, you don't really know how good a kid is going to be until he hits 16-17. There are many who leave baseball before then, but the ones who are less than truly dedicated don't continue past that age.

    Puberty is a huge equalizer. I'm appalled that people would say (when a kid is 7) "Don't bother saving for college".

    How many of those pre-teen standouts are playing at high school or above?
    My son didn't make to all-star until he was 10, he started playing pinto league when he was 6yo. For nearly 4 years he would be drafted near the very end. We had a couple very good TB teams of his age in our area. Those were the perennial all stars that once made to the west zone. They were like heroes that my son looked up to. Now there were only a couple of those players remained as my son's teammates. Most of them have quit.

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  • pstein
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    Originally posted by tg643 View Post
    Syide ... If you only understood how irrelevant the stuff you're saying really is. You don't even know what you don't know which is pure ignorance. Other than you who cares that a kid under five years old is ahead of the curve. I could train a monkey to be a better baseball player than most five years. But he's not going to improve and maintain that advantage. By the time my son was seven people were telling me I wouldn't have to worry about paying for college based on my son's athletic abilities. I thanked them and tried not to laugh at their ignorance. I kept saving for college.
    I always love listening to people say "My 10 year old is on All-Stars". Or the ones who talk about the 8 year old who throws really hard. Point is, you don't really know how good a kid is going to be until he hits 16-17. There are many who leave baseball before then, but the ones who are less than truly dedicated don't continue past that age.

    Puberty is a huge equalizer. I'm appalled that people would say (when a kid is 7) "Don't bother saving for college".

    How many of those pre-teen standouts are playing at high school or above?

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  • tg643
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    Syide ... If you only understood how irrelevant the stuff you're saying really is. You don't even know what you don't know which is pure ignorance. Other than you who cares that a kid under five years old is ahead of the curve. I could train a monkey to be a better baseball player than most five years. But he's not going to improve and maintain that advantage. By the time my son was seven people were telling me I wouldn't have to worry about paying for college based on my son's athletic abilities. I thanked them and tried not to laugh at their ignorance. I kept saving for college.

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  • raptor
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    Originally posted by CircleChange11 View Post
    4.8 years old?

    I would temper it now ... and I'd also stop using decimals with your kids age.
    4.8 is precisely 4 years, 9 months and 18 days. He had better look at the calendar before posting. (Sorry couldn't resist.)
    Hey watch the first vid..the kid worked a pretty good at bat!

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  • tradosaurus
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    I had to learn the hard way of trying to relive my childhood through my oldest son. I totally ruined him in baseball.

    I'm comfortable now with accepting my 3rd oldest son giving up sports if he so desires. Right now we are enjoying the ride.

    To all Dad's of young kids below the age of 8; Keep the game of baseball fun and be patient.

    There is so much more time you will have with your son but also there is so much more time that something may interefere with his love for the game.

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