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  • NCAA Decerified Marucci Black 33" & 34" BBCOR, but OK in HS?

    Son had a game the other night, and a big kid hit a 400+ ft HR over the 386 mark in CF...

    It was the 1st HR we've seen all fall season... Hit with a Marucci Black 33"...

    Now, the kid is a big kid, and he probably could have poked it out with any bat... But it got me thinkin'... So, I e-mailed FHSAA.org (Florida High School Athletic Association) and NFHS.org (National Federation of State High School Associations) to see how come this bat could be de-certified by the NCAA, and is currently NOT on the certified WSUSports Science Lab BBCOR list: http://www.mme.wsu-ssl.org/certifiedbaseballbats.aspx, but yet can still be used by High School players, and umpires cannot do anything about it...

    Here's the correspondence I had with both organizations:

    Subject: Marucci Black 33" & 34" BBCOR
    To: [email protected], [email protected]

    The NCAA has decertified Marucci Black 33" & 34" BBCOR, will the FHSAA follow this ruling in the Spring 2013...?

    Marucci Black 33" & 34" BBCOR is currently NOT on the certified WSUSports Science Lab BBCOR list: http://www.mme.wsu-ssl.org/certifiedbaseballbats.aspx

    June 6, 2012 NCAA Decertification MEMORANDUM:
    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...7BzIxd_dwzMZkA

    Please advise.

    The 1st nfhs Response >>>>>>>>

    From: "Elliot Hopkins" <[email protected]>
    To: me, <[email protected]>

    Thank you for your inquiry. Due to the volume of calls and e-mails
    please accept this general response. As per our announcement in July of
    2009, the NFHS has adopted the Batted Ball Coefficient of Restitution
    (BBCOR) performance standard for non-wood bats. The effective date was
    January 1, 2012. We have adopted the NCAA's research, approved list of
    BBCOR bats. You can find that list on the following website,
    http://www.mme.wsu-ssl.org/certifiedbaseballbats.aspx. I would suggest
    that you reference that list of approved or unapproved bats frequently
    because there is often significant movement between both lists.
    However, any specific bat compliance questions should be directed to
    your local high school state association.

    Please note that the National Federation of State High School
    Associations only writes playing rules for high school sports. We do
    not have any jurisdiction or interpretation responsibility for any other
    rules codes (i.e. Babe Ruth, Pony, Little League, Dixie Baseball). I
    would recommend that you contact that national rules writing body for
    any questions regarding their baseball bat interpretation.

    With regard to the latest decertification of the Marucci and the Reebok
    products, the length that is affected is the 33-inch (Marucci only)
    33-inch and 32-inch Reebok non-wood baseball bats. The NFHS cannot
    speculate on other lengths of bats at this time.
    Thank you again for your correspondence.

    B. Elliot Hopkins, MLD, CAA
    NFHS Baseball Rules Editor/National Interpreter
    E-Mail: [email protected]
    Phone: 317-972-6900
    Fax: 317.822.5700
    www.nfhs.org

    The 1st fhsaa Response >>>>>>>>

    from: Cristina Broska [email protected]
    to: Elliot Hopkins <[email protected]>, ME

    In addition to Mr. Hopkins' e-mail, the FHSAA relies on the list of approved BBCOR bats at the following link: http://www.mme.wsu-ssl.org/certifiedbaseballbats.aspx

    The FHSAA can also not speculate on other lengths of bats besides the bats the NFHS has specifically stated are not BBCOR approved.

    I apologize for the inconvenience.

    Cristina Broska
    Director of Athletics
    Florida High School Athletic Association


    My Response >>>>>>>>

    Subject: Re: Marucci Black 33" & 34" BBCOR
    From: ME
    To: Cristina Broska <[email protected]>
    Cc: Elliot Hopkins <[email protected]>

    Thank you for your immediate responses...

    On two other NCAA desertification memorandums by the NCAA (Marucci
    Cat-5, Reebok Vector), the FHSAA and NFHS both issued non-compliant
    memorandums immediately following the NCAA decision.

    Both the Marucci Black 33" & 34" BBCOR were decertified by the NCAA on
    June 6, 2012, they are currently NOT on the certified WSUSports
    Science Lab BBCOR list... Yet the FHSAA or NFHS has NOT issued a
    non-compliant memorandum.

    Will there be a non-compliant memorandum issued?

    The reason I ask is because players are still using this bat and
    umpires are not removing them from games, because there's confusion
    and there hasn't been non-compliant memorandum issued.

    Thank you.


    The 2nd nfhs Response >>>>>>>>

    from: Elliot Hopkins [email protected]
    to: ME, Cristina Broska <[email protected]>

    We are aware of the decertifications that are outstanding. I am limited in my response regarding those bats due to a legal issue. We are on top of the situation. I would appreciate your patience in this matter. It is challenging for all involved. Thank you again.

    B. Elliot Hopkins, MLD, CAA
    Director of Sports, Sanctioning and Educational Services
    National Federation of State High School Associations (NFHS)
    PO Box 690
    Indianapolis, IN 46206


    >>>>>>>>

    So, does this mean Marucci has also filed suit against the NFHS as well? Is there a temporary restraining order preventing the decertification at the NFHS level? I wonder how long this will take? Will it last into the Spring '13 season?


    I don't like my balls to smell like pickles.

  • #2
    I know they had filed suit back in June and there was, for a short time, an injunction in place that prohibited the NCAA from decertifying, but that was later dissolved. I'm not sure if they filed against high school associations.

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    • #3
      Fall HS ball doesn't matter does it? Heck last year guys were using the Pre-BESR super hot Easton's some games while our coach wanted our kids using wood. I am not sure why a fall coach would let the kids use a bat so wildly illegal.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Encinitas View Post
        Fall HS ball doesn't matter does it? Heck last year guys were using the Pre-BESR super hot Easton's some games while our coach wanted our kids using wood. I am not sure why a fall coach would let the kids use a bat so wildly illegal.
        You're right, it doesn't matter 'statistically-speaking', but so far in the 6 games we've played that's the only kid I've seen using one or any other 'decertified' bat... Maybe your coach didn't know the players were using those bats. Quite a few coaches are oblivious to equipment rules...
        I don't like my balls to smell like pickles.

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        • #5
          I'm not trying to turn this into yet another brain-numbing wood vs. metal thread.
          But I have to say I'm surprised that there are still some serious non-rec fall 18u leagues that haven't converted to wood-bat-only.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bolts-Baseball View Post
            You're right, it doesn't matter 'statistically-speaking', but so far in the 6 games we've played that's the only kid I've seen using one or any other 'decertified' bat... Maybe your coach didn't know the players were using those bats. Quite a few coaches are oblivious to equipment rules...
            So a kid uses a decertified bat and you have to cry to the Florida High School Athletic Association?

            Why do you care?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by tradosaurus View Post
              So a kid uses a decertified bat and you have to cry to the Florida High School Athletic Association?

              Why do you care?
              Nice irrelevant question...

              Why do YOU care that I 'cried'...?

              Don't you have better things to do, like view some more rookie hazing images...?
              Last edited by Bolts-Baseball; 10-07-2012, 07:02 AM.
              I don't like my balls to smell like pickles.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Bolts-Baseball View Post
                Nice irrelevant question...

                Why do YOU care that I 'cried'...?

                Don't you have better things to do, like view some more rookie hazing images...?
                Nothing irrelevant about you crying about decertified bat.

                Crying+Baby+Natural+High+for+Some+Moms.jpg

                Now what is relevant about viewing perverted pictures of rookie hazing?

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                • #9
                  I'd kind of like to make sure all the bats used in my state are legal bats. Maybe Bolts feels the same way. Your posting here seems pretty thick as usual.

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                  • #10
                    I don't care as much about winning as much as I do about player development.

                    If a kid wants to use a "hot" bat to get more distance that will only hamper his development to make it to the big leagues.

                    That is why I push my son to use a wood bat and will do so when he plays in high school.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by tradosaurus View Post
                      So a kid uses a decertified bat and you have to cry to the Florida High School Athletic Association?

                      Why do you care?
                      Why wouldn't he? Why would you not? I now picture you as one of those guys that would cheat. Rolled any bats? Pull the cap off of a bbcor and make it illegal? Cork any bats? If you aren't cheating, you aren't trying hard enough? Doing steroids ok with you?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Baseball gLove View Post
                        Why wouldn't he? Why would you not? I now picture you as one of those guys that would cheat. Rolled any bats? Pull the cap off of a bbcor and make it illegal? Cork any bats? If you aren't cheating, you aren't trying hard enough? Doing steroids ok with you?
                        Tradosaurus just needs to always take the opportunity to let everyone know that his boys will all use wood bats. It makes no difference what the subject of the thread may be.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by The Uncoach View Post
                          Tradosaurus just needs to always take the opportunity to let everyone know that his boys will all use wood bats. It makes no difference what the subject of the thread may be.
                          My kids use wood bats. My 20 year old uses wood in scout and fall ball. He goes through a couple of racks of bats per year. He was able to use a SSK Maple all summer before it died a good death. He wants college to go wood. My "just turned" 13 uses a Mizuno maple for practice and BP and swings a BBCOR for games.

                          This is the same garbage a lot of the Marshall guys do. Let it be. We are not going to ridicule others for using metal. Just keep it out of the Minors and the MLB.
                          Last edited by Baseball gLove; 10-07-2012, 11:22 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by tradosaurus View Post
                            I don't care as much about winning as much as I do about player development.

                            If a kid wants to use a "hot" bat to get more distance that will only hamper his development to make it to the big leagues.

                            That is why I push my son to use a wood bat and will do so when he plays in high school.
                            Few coaches would encourage this because it puts the team at a disadvantage. Even the new bats are better than wood bats. Off center hits go appreciably further than with wood in my experience, not even close really. Practice with wood, great idea, highly encouraged. But in a game when you're trying to win, you've got to swing metal. I don't know of any of the local high school coaches in our area that allow wood in game, though many schedule wood bat games for the experience.
                            The outcome of our children is infinitely more important than the outcome of any game they will ever play

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JJA View Post
                              Few coaches would encourage this because it puts the team at a disadvantage. Even the new bats are better than wood bats. Off center hits go appreciably further than with wood in my experience, not even close really. Practice with wood, great idea, highly encouraged. But in a game when you're trying to win, you've got to swing metal. I don't know of any of the local high school coaches in our area that allow wood in game, though many schedule wood bat games for the experience.
                              There was one scout game during the BESR years in which the other team "forgot" that it was a wood bat league. It didn't matter if they had been using illegal bats because they couldn't make contact with the ball anyway.

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