Announcement

Collapse

Updated Baseball Fever Policy

Baseball Fever Policy

I. Purpose of this announcement:

This announcement describes the policies pertaining to the operation of Baseball Fever.

Baseball Fever is a moderated baseball message board which encourages and facilitates research and information exchange among fans of our national pastime. The intent of the Baseball Fever Policy is to ensure that Baseball Fever remains an extremely high quality, extremely low "noise" environment.

Baseball Fever is administrated by three principal administrators:
webmaster - Baseball Fever Owner
The Commissioner - Baseball Fever Administrator
Macker - Baseball Fever Administrator

And a group of forum specific super moderators. The role of the moderator is to keep Baseball Fever smoothly and to screen posts for compliance with our policy. The moderators are ALL volunteer positions, so please be patient and understanding of any delays you might experience in correspondence.

II. Comments about our policy:

Any suggestions on this policy may be made directly to the webmaster.

III. Acknowledgments:

This document was based on a similar policy used by SABR.

IV. Requirements for participation on Baseball Fever:

Participation on Baseball Fever is available to all baseball fans with a valid email address, as verified by the forum's automated system, which then in turn creates a single validated account. Multiple accounts by a single user are prohibited.

By registering, you agree to adhere to the policies outlined in this document and to conduct yourself accordingly. Abuse of the forum, by repeated failure to abide by these policies, will result in your access being blocked to the forum entirely.

V. Baseball Fever Netiquette:

Participants at Baseball Fever are required to adhere to these principles, which are outlined in this section.
a. All posts to Baseball Fever should be written in clear, concise English, with proper grammar and accurate spelling. The use of abbreviations should be kept to a minimum; when abbreviation is necessary, they should be either well-known (such as etc.), or explained on their first use in your post.

b. Conciseness is a key attribute of a good post.

c. Quote only the portion of a post to which you are responding.

d. Standard capitalization and punctuation make a large difference in the readability of a post. TYPING IN ALL CAPITALS is considered to be "shouting"; it is a good practice to limit use of all capitals to words which you wish to emphasize.

e. It is our policy NOT to transmit any defamatory or illegal materials.

f. Personal attacks of any type against Baseball Fever readers will not be tolerated. In these instances the post will be copied by a moderator and/or administrator, deleted from the site, then sent to the member who made the personal attack via a Private Message (PM) along with a single warning. Members who choose to not listen and continue personal attacks will be banned from the site.

g. It is important to remember that many contextual clues available in face-to-face discussion, such as tone of voice and facial expression, are lost in the electronic forum. As a poster, try to be alert for phrasing that might be misinterpreted by your audience to be offensive; as a reader, remember to give the benefit of the doubt and not to take umbrage too easily. There are many instances in which a particular choice of words or phrasing can come across as being a personal attack where none was intended.

h. The netiquette described above (a-g) often uses the term "posts", but applies equally to Private Messages.

VI. Baseball Fever User Signature Policy

A signature is a piece of text that some members may care to have inserted at the end of ALL of their posts, a little like the closing of a letter. You can set and / or change your signature by editing your profile in the UserCP. Since it is visible on ALL your posts, the following policy must be adhered to:

Signature Composition
Font size limit: No larger than size 2 (This policy is a size 2)
Style: Bold and italics are permissible
Character limit: No more than 500 total characters
Lines: No more than 4 lines
Colors: Most colors are permissible, but those which are hard to discern against the gray background (yellow, white, pale gray) should be avoided
Images/Graphics: Allowed, but nothing larger than 20k and Content rules must be followed

Signature Content
No advertising is permitted
Nothing political or religious
Nothing obscene, vulgar, defamatory or derogatory
Links to personal blogs/websites are permissible - with the webmaster's written consent
A Link to your Baseball Fever Blog does not require written consent and is recommended
Quotes must be attributed. Non-baseball quotes are permissible as long as they are not religious or political

Please adhere to these rules when you create your signature. Failure to do so will result in a request to comply by a moderator. If you do not comply within a reasonable amount of time, the signature will be removed and / or edited by an Administrator. Baseball Fever reserves the right to edit and / or remove any or all of your signature line at any time without contacting the account holder.

VII. Appropriate and inappropriate topics for Baseball Fever:

Most concisely, the test for whether a post is appropriate for Baseball Fever is: "Does this message discuss our national pastime in an interesting manner?" This post can be direct or indirect: posing a question, asking for assistance, providing raw data or citations, or discussing and constructively critiquing existing posts. In general, a broad interpretation of "baseball related" is used.

Baseball Fever is not a promotional environment. Advertising of products, web sites, etc., whether for profit or not-for-profit, is not permitted. At the webmaster's discretion, brief one-time announcements for products or services of legitimate baseball interest and usefulness may be allowed. If advertising is posted to the site it will be copied by a moderator and/or administrator, deleted from the site, then sent to the member who made the post via a Private Message (PM) along with a single warning. Members who choose to not listen and continue advertising will be banned from the site. If the advertising is spam-related, pornography-based, or a "visit-my-site" type post / private message, no warning at all will be provided, and the member will be banned immediately without a warning.

It is considered appropriate to post a URL to a page which specifically and directly answers a question posted on the list (for example, it would be permissible to post a link to a page containing home-road splits, even on a site which has advertising or other commercial content; however, it would not be appropriate to post the URL of the main page of the site). The site reserves the right to limit the frequency of such announcements by any individual or group.

In keeping with our test for a proper topic, posting to Baseball Fever should be treated as if you truly do care. This includes posting information that is, to the best of your knowledge, complete and accurate at the time you post. Any errors or ambiguities you catch later should be acknowledged and corrected in the thread, since Baseball Fever is sometimes considered to be a valuable reference for research information.

VIII. Role of the moderator:

When a post is submitted to Baseball Fever, it is forwarded by the server automatically and seen immediately. The moderator may:
a. Leave the thread exactly like it was submitted. This is the case 95% of the time.

b. Immediately delete the thread as inappropriate for Baseball Fever. Examples include advertising, personal attacks, or spam. This is the case 1% of the time.

c. Move the thread. If a member makes a post about the Marlins in the Yankees forum it will be moved to the appropriate forum. This is the case 3% of the time.

d. Edit the message due to an inappropriate item. This is the case 1% of the time. There have been new users who will make a wonderful post, then add to their signature line (where your name / handle appears) a tagline that is a pure advertisement. This tagline will be removed, a note will be left in the message so he/she is aware of the edit, and personal contact will be made to the poster telling them what has been edited and what actions need to be taken to prevent further edits.

The moderators perform no checks on posts to verify factual or logical accuracy. While he/she may point out gross errors in factual data in replies to the thread, the moderator does not act as an "accuracy" editor. Also moderation is not a vehicle for censorship of individuals and/or opinions, and the moderator's decisions should not be taken personally.

IX. Legal aspects of participation in Baseball Fever:

By submitting a post to Baseball Fever, you grant Baseball Fever permission to distribute your message to the forum. Other rights pertaining to the post remain with the ORIGINAL author, and you may not redistribute or retransmit any posts by any others, in whole or in part, without the express consent of the original author.

The messages appearing on Baseball Fever contain the opinions and views of their respective authors and are not necessarily those of Baseball Fever, or of the Baseball Almanac family of sites.

Sincerely,

Sean Holtz, Webmaster of Baseball Almanac & Baseball Fever
www.baseball-almanac.com | www.baseball-fever.com
"Baseball Almanac: Sharing Baseball. Sharing History."
See more
See less

Does strength training help hitters hit for more power?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Does strength training help hitters hit for more power?

    Agree or disagree with this video? I will give my opinion later. Been a long time since I checked in.....

    Hitting/Strength video
    MAXX Training - the latest on sports training & athletic performance! www.maxxtraining.com


  • #2
    Care to post a youtube vid? I don't care to sign up on someone's site and get added to their spam list just to watch a vid.

    Comment


    • #3
      I would think it helps but you have to do it right.
      there is a guy named eric cressey who has a lot of baseball strength stuff. he mainly works with pitchers though.

      I do a strength training consisting of the classic lifts, along with plyometric rotational training like this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrYzhL4KTpQ
      and also do some overload and underload swings. with that training I got my batspeed up from the high 60s to low 80s last winter (I have a swing speed radar).

      this winter my goal is to get to 90 although I'm not sure I'm genetically capable to do that. But I will try.
      I now have my own non commercial blog about training for batspeed and power using my training experience in baseball and track and field.

      Comment


      • #4
        Power comes from bat speed not strength. Strength can improve bat speed. I've seen some kids lift too much and lose bat speed because they muscled up. Whats needed is a balance of strength and quickness.
        Last edited by tg643; 11-25-2012, 02:48 PM.

        Comment


        • #5
          Mechanics not strength. Strength will aid anyone, especially those with good mechanics but how many times do we see the 6'2" 225 OG who plays football and hits a few doubles and homers push the bat with the muscles in his chest? Yet there are smallish, thinish kids on the team hitting balls just as hard most of the time who can't bench within 125 lbs of the beast. Those kids are more whippy, whereas the brute is more rigid and muscled up in approach. He does hit a few a country mile, but the whippy kid does it more often.

          Also bat speed is not everything, some of these guys who move their arms really fast have tremendous bat speed, but they've lost any kind of power that the body might help provide, by pushing their hands with tremendous force. For instance, I would think Doc's Yeager's guys rate well on bat speed, but since their hands have pushed across the body (down through the nipple) so early in the swing it takes the perfect pitch for them to hit one out.

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by Encinitas View Post
            Mechanics not strength. Strength will aid anyone, especially those with good mechanics but how many times do we see the 6'2" 225 OG who plays football and hits a few doubles and homers push the bat with the muscles in his chest? Yet there are smallish, thinish kids on the team hitting balls just as hard most of the time who can't bench within 125 lbs of the beast. Those kids are more whippy, whereas the brute is more rigid and muscled up in approach. He does hit a few a country mile, but the whippy kid does it more often.

            Also bat speed is not everything, some of these guys who move their arms really fast have tremendous bat speed, but they've lost any kind of power that the body might help provide, by pushing their hands with tremendous force. For instance, I would think Doc's Yeager's guys rate well on bat speed, but since their hands have pushed across the body (down through the nipple) so early in the swing it takes the perfect pitch for them to hit one out.
            Okay, how about this. Generally speaking, what would you advise a teenager to do if a choice had to be made. Just for the sake of argument. would it be better to do 6 week strength training program or a 6 week hitting clinic going over hitting mechanics? Not both. Generally speaking, which would get better results? High quality programs in either case.
            "Thank you for repeating your opinion again for the umpteenth time, we had almost forgotten how important it is....to you. "

            Comment


            • #7
              As my son has gotten stronger I see him hitting more pitches harder. By that I mean the pitch doesn't have to be center cut or in his preferred area of the plate for him to cream it.
              There are two kinds of losers.....Those that don't do what they are told, and those that do only what they are told.

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by shake-n-bake View Post
                As my son has gotten stronger I see him hitting more pitches harder. By that I mean the pitch doesn't have to be center cut or in his preferred area of the plate for him to cream it.
                Yes, I think the benefits of weight training outweigh the benefits of the mechanical instruction. Of course it depends on the level of the player,etc, etc, and obviously it doesn't have to be an either/or thing. But I see a lot of hitters with functional swings whose flaw is that they are weak. And I've seen weight training make poor into average, average into good, good into outstanding.
                "Thank you for repeating your opinion again for the umpteenth time, we had almost forgotten how important it is....to you. "

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by omg View Post
                  Okay, how about this. Generally speaking, what would you advise a teenager to do if a choice had to be made. Just for the sake of argument. would it be better to do 6 week strength training program or a 6 week hitting clinic going over hitting mechanics? Not both. Generally speaking, which would get better results? High quality programs in either case.
                  Well given that a lot of hitting clinics don't help out all that much, I'd say go for the strength training. However if there was a hot instructor in your area, the benefits of learning a good pattern will take you farther. My oldest is a brute, but raised his BA to over .400 in BBCOR year 1 (from barely .215 BESR maybe in 10th grade) without adding much additional strength. The mechanical difference was the key.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    I believe both have their part and especially in the off season you have to work on both. With my son I've opted for workouts with medicine balls, plyo box work, jump rope, etc. At age 13 I prefer to stay away from the weights in general for a few more years. We focus on legs and his core section. I feel free ranging movements will benefit him better than just pure traditonal free weight stuff like I did at his age. We hit 3 times per week with around 50-70 balls each time (I don't believe in hitting till he's exhausted). This is our 4th off season doing this and this year we've upped the gym workouts from the previous year. We've seen consistent improvement each season in regards to his hitting, especially power, and even more improvement with speed and quickness which has been really positive given his size (big slow kid). I really believe the gym work he's done has played a big role in his progress.
                    Baseball was, is and always will be to me the best game in the world.
                    (Babe Ruth)

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      There's value in becoming stronger and there's value in making mechanical adjustments. There's also value in developing the mental part of the game.

                      One of the things that I've stressed to my son and a couple of his friends at times is that so often the ball will dictate how you hit it, where you field it, what you do with it, and reveal (or expose) how prepared you really are. You practice routine baseball. Your training in the off season makes you "that" guy in the spring. And your willingness to invest more than most gives you the legit right to expect more than most.

                      That's one thing that's way, way, way overlooked. I went to a HS whose mascot was the Hornets. We ran a conditioning drill called the "Hornet-maker." Every school, every sport, every coach has their version. It's nasty. And it's not just for conditioning. It's making the declaration that you are all in. Your "will" is now ready to give fate the middle finger and be ready to back it up. That time in the weight room does a lot for a young man's head as well as his body.
                      There are two kinds of losers.....Those that don't do what they are told, and those that do only what they are told.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        I have to know what the "Hornet Maker" drill is. Can you give me some details?
                        Originally posted by shake-n-bake View Post
                        There's value in becoming stronger and there's value in making mechanical adjustments. There's also value in developing the mental part of the game.

                        One of the things that I've stressed to my son and a couple of his friends at times is that so often the ball will dictate how you hit it, where you field it, what you do with it, and reveal (or expose) how prepared you really are. You practice routine baseball. Your training in the off season makes you "that" guy in the spring. And your willingness to invest more than most gives you the legit right to expect more than most.

                        That's one thing that's way, way, way overlooked. I went to a HS whose mascot was the Hornets. We ran a conditioning drill called the "Hornet-maker." Every school, every sport, every coach has their version. It's nasty. And it's not just for conditioning. It's making the declaration that you are all in. Your "will" is now ready to give fate the middle finger and be ready to back it up. That time in the weight room does a lot for a young man's head as well as his body.
                        Baseball was, is and always will be to me the best game in the world.
                        (Babe Ruth)

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by kimbercarry View Post
                          I have to know what the "Hornet Maker" drill is. Can you give me some details?
                          Well I remember it started out with a run through the country that included part of the route being down Short Road. Short Road is sort of like when they call a 6'8" 350 pound guy "Tiny." Had the road been actually named for it's true characteristics it wouldn't have been "Long Road" though. It would have been named High-Low Road.

                          When we arrived at the school coaches hosed us down. We never really stopped. There was a trough with the old sprinkler style water dispensers. You sort of jogged the length of it getting your drink of water. Then there was a hellish course that included pushing sleds, running through a tunnel, carrying sand bags, and a bunch of other stuff - probably some up-downs and bear crawls. Helmets on. Half-racking it. Lots of puking.

                          My son's school has one drill they call 6-6-6 Running with the Devil. It's suicides, sprints, and stairs.

                          Reminds me of the military. "Will you quit?" That's what it's about. Will you quit? And, how bad do you want it? But really its investing. And the more invested, the more fight there's going to be to succeed.
                          Last edited by shake-n-bake; 11-27-2012, 02:21 PM.
                          There are two kinds of losers.....Those that don't do what they are told, and those that do only what they are told.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by shake-n-bake View Post
                            There's value in becoming stronger and there's value in making mechanical adjustments. There's also value in developing the mental part of the game.

                            One of the things that I've stressed to my son and a couple of his friends at times is that so often the ball will dictate how you hit it, where you field it, what you do with it, and reveal (or expose) how prepared you really are. You practice routine baseball. Your training in the off season makes you "that" guy in the spring. And your willingness to invest more than most gives you the legit right to expect more than most.

                            That's one thing that's way, way, way overlooked. I went to a HS whose mascot was the Hornets. We ran a conditioning drill called the "Hornet-maker." Every school, every sport, every coach has their version. It's nasty. And it's not just for conditioning. It's making the declaration that you are all in. Your "will" is now ready to give fate the middle finger and be ready to back it up. That time in the weight room does a lot for a young man's head as well as his body.
                            a lot of modern conditioning coaches (like cressey) are against doing those kind of stuff. it might be good to create general conditioning and willipower but it mostly trains strength endurance and lactate tolerance (anarobic training).

                            however baseball is more like 3-5 second effort full power followed by 20-30 seconds rest. some believe that pattern should followed in training too. I have read a citation by a famous cycling coach (which unlike baseball is an endurance sport!) who said that most guys are too intense during "recovery ride periods" an not intense enough during the actual speed intervals (because they are still banged up from the "recovery").

                            doing a block of basic endurance is great but I believe most of the training should be in the anaerobic-alactic (1-6 seconds at full power) zone which is what baseball is mostly about. doing 30 consecutive minutes of subthreshold to threshold effort or 2 minute intervals will not be very baseball specific. it looks cool to have the kids hustle for two hours without a break but MLB baseball is 90% lollygagging and 10% at maximum intensity.
                            Last edited by dominik; 11-27-2012, 04:12 PM.
                            I now have my own non commercial blog about training for batspeed and power using my training experience in baseball and track and field.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Does strength help.


                              Certainly.

                              All other things being equal... i.e. a player making solid contact on a 90 mph pitch one season results in the ball travelling _____ distance. A stronger player, making the SAME contact with the same pitch the next season WILL hit the ball harder and farther. Again... I'm talking the SAME contact. Nothing to do with being TOO big, hampering mechanics, or things like that.
                              "Herman Franks to Sal Yvars to Bobby Thomson. Ralph Branca to Bobby Thomson to Helen Rita... cue Russ Hodges."

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X