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  • #31
    Originally posted by HYP View Post
    I do want to add that for the guys who play for me, they all pick. On every play. Like I said, MLB guys are throwing it 90 across the field and they are not normally faced with a runner busting his A** down the line. Non MLB guys normally do not throw that hard across the field and runners are running hard. I tell my guys to just get the ball in the air.
    Right, there are 2 ways to do it. Whatever works. I don't agree, though, that funneling breaks the flow to the throw. If anything, it helps the fielder to gather, get their grip, get their feet under them, and make a strong accurate throw. Talking about a routine ball. Different philosophies.
    "Thank you for repeating your opinion again for the umpteenth time, we had almost forgotten how important it is....to you. "

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    • #32
      Originally posted by HYP View Post
      I do want to add that for the guys who play for me, they all pick. On every play. Like I said, MLB guys are throwing it 90 across the field and they are not normally faced with a runner busting his A** down the line. Non MLB guys normally do not throw that hard across the field and runners are running hard. I tell my guys to just get the ball in the air.
      HYP,
      This is a very important difference between HS and MLB. Great point.
      To some degree, even more important now in HS--as compared to two years ago--with grounders coming off the BBCOR bats somewhat slower.
      To Keep It Simple, my coaching mantra is: Field the ball aggressively on the short hop.
      Obviously, that doesn't cover all situations.
      It's fun to watch the progression from frosh to JV to V as the infielders adapt to the decreasing time window.
      For that reason, I spend considerably more time drilling my guys on slow-hit balls--slow rollers, slow bounding balls up the middle--than I do on hard-hit ones.
      Our HSV coach (good guy; good coach) takes the opposite approach. He likes to challenge infielders with hotshots. Similar to the coach in "Dodgeball", throwing wrenches.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMWdnkSMPGM
      Last edited by skipper5; 12-11-2012, 08:51 AM.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by HYP View Post
        On every play. Like I said, MLB guys are throwing it 90 across the field and they are not normally faced with a runner busting his A** down the line. Non MLB guys normally do not throw that hard across the field and runners are running hard. I tell my guys to just get the ball in the air.
        I'm not sure about this one either. MLB guys have to preserve their arms for 162 games. Cal Ripken is a perfect example-he put just enough on the ball to get the runner out. Eckstein and Zimmerman, too. Talking about a routine ball. They have learned the art of NOT throwing with maximum velocity.

        HS guys tend to throw TOO hard, in my view. Sometimes trying to impress people. Mostly because they don't know any better. Bad footwork, too.
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        • #34
          Hyp, a couple questions:

          1. Do you teach your kids to "round" the ball? If yes, how do you teach it.
          2. In your counting hops drill, WHEN do the kids yell the hop that they will field the ball?

          Thanks. Good stuff.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by FlatBusted View Post
            Hyp, a couple questions:

            1. Do you teach your kids to "round" the ball? If yes, how do you teach it.
            2. In your counting hops drill, WHEN do the kids yell the hop that they will field the ball?

            Thanks. Good stuff.
            1) I do teach "rounding" but I just say "set it up on the left". Rounding gives the impression that I am coming around the ball. I want them to put it on their left and then move through it. It is hard to explain but what we do is just step behind with the left foot behind the right foot. Like a Karaoke step. This will turn your body slightly side ways as well. That is your read step and then you go to the ball. This is for routine plays.

            2) When they first start, they will probably yell it out as soon as they field it. The idea is to yell it out as close to the ball leaving the bat as possible. The idea is, as they yell out the number of the hop they believe they will field the ball on, forces them to set it up. For instance, a player may think 2 but really should have been 3. They are forced to charge and get it on 2. Vice a versa, they may think 3 but realize they could have got there on 2 but they have to keep the feet moving and maintain their rhythm and field it on the 3rd hop. At some point they will be able to call out the correct hop all the time and early. This helps them with learning how to "play the ball" versus the "ball playing them".

            Hope that makes sense.

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            • #36
              Great stuff in this thread guys, I've cut and pasted it to my Word file of tips. My son isn't quite there yet with a lot of the advice, but it'll be good stuff to keep in mind as he develops and get's older.

              I figured I'd try something new. I see lots of people post swings, but not much defensively. So here he is taking a few grounders. I figure probably lots wrong, but I'm interested in what you think is MOST wrong, or maybe better worded, the FIRST thing you would want to work on if he wanted to try to improve over the winter break (for people that know me, I don't like to work on too many things at once, so one or two things for winter would be enough) Thanks!

              Never played baseball, just a dad of someone that loves to play. So take any advice I post with a grain of salt.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by pthawaii View Post
                Great stuff in this thread guys, I've cut and pasted it to my Word file of tips. My son isn't quite there yet with a lot of the advice, but it'll be good stuff to keep in mind as he develops and get's older.

                I figured I'd try something new. I see lots of people post swings, but not much defensively. So here he is taking a few grounders. I figure probably lots wrong, but I'm interested in what you think is MOST wrong, or maybe better worded, the FIRST thing you would want to work on if he wanted to try to improve over the winter break (for people that know me, I don't like to work on too many things at once, so one or two things for winter would be enough) Thanks!

                Rough field but it will make him better.

                Here is a fielding progression for EDD (every day drills). We start everyday this way.

                1) No glove on both knees. Just roll grounders at him. Have him field ball out front and take it up to his right ear.

                2) Stand up and do the same thing. No step through to throw. Just field like on knees and take the ball up to his right ear. Have him get use to shifting weight from right leg to left leg as he fields. Not a big transfer. Kind of like a rocking from right to left.

                3) Now, move to a step through. Same as drill 2 but as he fields he steps in front with his right foot and gets to a strong throwing position. So, he rocks from right to left as he fields. Right foot continues through in front of left and "pushes" his hands to his right ear. Hands move up to right ear and right foot replaces the hands.

                4) Do the same thing as #3 but take your hat off. Turn it over and place the bill of your hat in your mouth. This forces the player to look out and field the ball out in front.

                5) put glove on and get back on your knees. Partner is about 4 to 5 feet away on knees and throws low short hops. Just have him working on picks out front. As he picks, it is a small wrist move and he rolls his glove over and up to the ear as he fields. Push through the ball and roll the glove over and up to his right ear. You also do this at a 45 to forehand and then to backhand.

                6) Stand up and repeat #5 with the transfer of weight from right to left.

                7) same as #6 but with the step through added in.


                Probably tough to follow but if you have questions please ask.

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                • #38
                  I think I get it. With #3, would you let him step forward with his left foot and it ends there? If I'm reading it correctly, he might have trouble stopping after right foot replace hands and hands to right ear.

                  Originally posted by HYP View Post
                  Rough field but it will make him better.

                  Here is a fielding progression for EDD (every day drills). We start everyday this way.

                  1) No glove on both knees. Just roll grounders at him. Have him field ball out front and take it up to his right ear.

                  2) Stand up and do the same thing. No step through to throw. Just field like on knees and take the ball up to his right ear. Have him get use to shifting weight from right leg to left leg as he fields. Not a big transfer. Kind of like a rocking from right to left.

                  3) Now, move to a step through. Same as drill 2 but as he fields he steps in front with his right foot and gets to a strong throwing position. So, he rocks from right to left as he fields. Right foot continues through in front of left and "pushes" his hands to his right ear. Hands move up to right ear and right foot replaces the hands.

                  4) Do the same thing as #3 but take your hat off. Turn it over and place the bill of your hat in your mouth. This forces the player to look out and field the ball out in front.

                  5) put glove on and get back on your knees. Partner is about 4 to 5 feet away on knees and throws low short hops. Just have him working on picks out front. As he picks, it is a small wrist move and he rolls his glove over and up to the ear as he fields. Push through the ball and roll the glove over and up to his right ear. You also do this at a 45 to forehand and then to backhand.

                  6) Stand up and repeat #5 with the transfer of weight from right to left.

                  7) same as #6 but with the step through added in.


                  Probably tough to follow but if you have questions please ask.
                  Never played baseball, just a dad of someone that loves to play. So take any advice I post with a grain of salt.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by pthawaii View Post
                    I think I get it. With #3, would you let him step forward with his left foot and it ends there? If I'm reading it correctly, he might have trouble stopping after right foot replace hands and hands to right ear.
                    Yes, he should end up in a strong throwing position. FYI, one thing I notice a lot with young players is they stand up after fielding. I always just explain it to them like they are a pyramid and it can't grow. So the head doesn't raise up.

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