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Is fastball mania putting young arms on the brink?

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  • #16
    Originally posted by Viking0 View Post
    If that is the case, do you have a way to encourage a younger pitcher to not do this? My youngest does this naturally, and Dirt had a drill to help promote getting the arm up earlier, but maybe you have something as well? Thanks.
    Breaking your hands thumbs DOWN (to the thigh) will encourage this.

    Breaking your hands thumbs UP will prevent it. The cue I use is "Pinky past the pants."
    Hitting Coordinator for Harris-Stowe State University in St. Louis.

    I also work with the pitchers who are dealing with injury problems.

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    • #17
      Am I the only one who watches Aaron Nola pitch and wonder when he is going to blow out?
      See ball, hit ball.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by PhilliesPhan22 View Post
        Am I the only one who watches Aaron Nola pitch and wonder when he is going to blow out?
        Nope......
        Hitting Coordinator for Harris-Stowe State University in St. Louis.

        I also work with the pitchers who are dealing with injury problems.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Chris O'Leary View Post
          I wasn't made aware that this player was having any problems until January 2017.

          I tried to intervene, but it was too late.

          Which is why I'm not sure why (intelligent) people think this is such a gotcha.
          I don't fall into the more intelligent category, but help be believe. The problem I have with all the I told you so, is the reality that we know pitchers are prone to injury.

          When you call out a lot of pitchers and few get injured it doesn't really prove anything. If I was asked to watch every MLB pitcher and to name 20 that I thought were at risk of injury than over the next few years 5 were injured. What would that prove??? Even if 10 of 20 were injured over their careers???

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          • #20
            Character minimum
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            Last edited by Strike Three; 03-20-2017, 03:03 PM.
            If you let baseball kick your ass, it will

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            • #21
              There are plenty of pitchers with great mechanics whose arms blow up. We're at the velocities where the odds are an arm is going to blow.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by JettSixty View Post
                There are plenty of pitchers with great mechanics whose arms blow up. We're at the velocities where the odds are an arm is going to blow.
                Such as....
                Hitting Coordinator for Harris-Stowe State University in St. Louis.

                I also work with the pitchers who are dealing with injury problems.

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                • #23
                  Almost every pitcher has arm problems at some point now.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by JettSixty View Post
                    Almost every pitcher has arm problems at some point now.
                    Which suggests something has changed.

                    And I've documented at length how pitching mechanics instruction has changed over the years.

                    Not sure why people have such a hard time believing there's a connection.
                    Hitting Coordinator for Harris-Stowe State University in St. Louis.

                    I also work with the pitchers who are dealing with injury problems.

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                    • #25
                      So Chris do you advocate the equal and oppo?
                      If you let baseball kick your ass, it will

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Strike Three View Post
                        So Chris do you advocate the equal and oppo?
                        The way House generally demos it? No.



                        Maybe it's time to stop selling Mark Prior's mechanics?
                        Hitting Coordinator for Harris-Stowe State University in St. Louis.

                        I also work with the pitchers who are dealing with injury problems.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Francis7 View Post
                          IIRC, someone, somewhere, debunked the myth that you throw harder after TJS.
                          Mine threw a lot faster! But, of course the fine print is that he was throwing a lot slower right before his UCL blew.

                          Also, to further muddy the issue, he was a starter who would throw slower so he could make it through the game. A few times in front of scouts and in practice he hit 93. In college games, he would top 90/91 and cruise 87/88. At the end, some games he would randomly cruise at 85/87. Then the UCL went that summer.

                          Now he's a reliever throwing mostly fastballs topping at 93, cruising at 88/90. So, he's 'faster', but not really.
                          Last edited by songtitle; 03-20-2017, 11:49 PM.
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                          • #28
                            There are a lot of other factors that play into this equations other than the fastball or mechanics. Some of which are:
                            • A pitcher might have had micro tears for a very long time which began development as a young player. One way micro tears might have happened is to the player who pitches a few innings and then goes to play a position.
                            • General arm care. IOWs, what a pitcher does in their off day does matter. What a pitcher does before and after they throw does matter.
                            • One former MLB player once told me that weather matters. He was referencing the various conditions players play in in college. He also was one of those former players/coaches who believes that the elbow has to be covered until the temperature is a consistent 70+ degrees.
                            • How extensive has the research been done to the role of weight lifting? I am a believer in the weight room but with this increase, is there a correlation? I simply don't know and don't believer there has been extensive research into this at all.
                            • Genetics can't be discounted.


                            As with some of the various philosophies on how to throw, the question then remains that if a pitcher does this and that and makes it to pro ball or MLB, would he have made it to that level without those things? How much can a change in mechanics actually inhibit a player from having enough success to advance in pro ball?
                            Granny said Sonny stick to your guns if you believe in something no matter what. Because it's better to be hated for who you are than to be loved for who you're not.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by songtitle View Post
                              Mine threw a lot faster! But, of course the fine print is that he was throwing a lot slower right before his UCL blew.

                              Also, to further muddy the issue, he was a starter who would throw slower so he could make it through the game. A few times in front of scouts and in practice he hit 93. In college games, he would top 90/91 and cruise 87/88. At the end, some games he would randomly cruise at 85/87. Then the UCL went that summer.

                              Now he's a reliever throwing mostly fastballs topping at 93, cruising at 88/90. So, he's 'faster', but not really.
                              That's how I've understood it to work. There was a time there with some smashing MLB success stories that had people thinking TJ was adding velocity. I think that started with guys like John Smoltz and Matt Morris (Cardinals). Before TJ, Smoltz was at the point of trying a knuckleball to stay on the mound. The Cards followed a similar protocol to Smoltz' recovery, keeping him in the pen when he first came back. Morris was known as a low 90s guy and for awhile he hit mid to high 90s. People thought the code had been cracked. Guy has a torn UCL, you get him TJ, stick him in the pen for a year after he comes back, and he's better than new.

                              This was at a time too when pitchers and hitters were mysteriously hitting their peaks in their late 30s also, so maybe that has to be factored in. Not that those guys were PED users, but you know, I don't think anybody thought Morris would be washed up by 29. People were thinking really long term.

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                              • #30
                                dont like this....my son throws hard---tall lanky kid........gonna really limit his throwing this year...(already was planning that before this thread) he pitched too much last year for me---(and no way did i think so at the time) -i hate the mentality that is out there---the big league clubs throw these kids to the wolves----
                                good article thanks for posting
                                13U Coach in God's Country (the Midwest)

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