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  • RuthMayBond
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    Originally posted by History Of Baseball Fan View Post
    I just came across this thread today and after reading your post, its exciting to read "the first world series filmed in part was 1908..."

    Do you know if there is a link to any website where we all can view this footage and do you know much of it was filmed ? If you go to youtube and type in "deadball era baseball" you will see clips from the 1909, 1910 and 1919 World Series and footage of the 1904 and 1905 New York Giants. I thought I read somewhere that the 1905 World Series was filmed, but I'm assuming it is lost if it was filmed. I really hope that the 1903-1908 World Series were filmed, even if there is no game footage. Even if its just the players walking around the field before the game, that would still be neat to watch ! Would you happen to know of any other baseball footage that survives from that era or any that was taken and is considered lost ?
    http://www.raresportsfilms.com/otherbball.html

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  • History Of Baseball Fan
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    Originally posted by Brian McKenna View Post
    thomas edison erected america's first film studio in 1892 - they started with vaudeville acts then moved to sports

    the first live sporting event ever filmed was a lightwieght match between michael leonard and jack cushing in july 1894

    in 1898 edison released the first baseball movie titled The Ball Game (at times referenced as The Ballplayer), a series of disoriented shots of baseball

    Casey was released in 1899 - a short film without a plot - also had nothing to do with Casey at the Bat

    earliest known baseball movies with a plot was How the Office Boy Saw the Ball Game in 1906 and also in 1906 Baseball on the Bench

    nickelodeons featured baseball highlights during the 1900s - the first world series filmed in part was 1908 but baseball was difficult/impossible to film under the technology and in fact serious efforts wouldn't take place until the 1940s

    first instructional film was 1914

    first color video of major leaguers - 1938

    tris speaker and marty mchale produced movies of individual major league stars in 1917
    I just came across this thread today and after reading your post, its exciting to read "the first world series filmed in part was 1908..."

    Do you know if there is a link to any website where we all can view this footage and do you know much of it was filmed ? If you go to youtube and type in "deadball era baseball" you will see clips from the 1909, 1910 and 1919 World Series and footage of the 1904 and 1905 New York Giants. I thought I read somewhere that the 1905 World Series was filmed, but I'm assuming it is lost if it was filmed. I really hope that the 1903-1908 World Series were filmed, even if there is no game footage. Even if its just the players walking around the field before the game, that would still be neat to watch ! Would you happen to know of any other baseball footage that survives from that era or any that was taken and is considered lost ?

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  • Pere
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    Originally posted by RuthMayBond View Post
    Looking for anything in particular?
    Okay, how about games with the '50s Milwaukee Braves or '60s Cardinals, other than 1968 WS Game 1?

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  • RuthMayBond
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    Originally posted by spark240 View Post
    I think there was a misunderstanding... what I was asking Redondos (or anyone who knew) was where--not from Rare Sports Films--the complete films of pre-1969 World Series games were available, since he had said,
    Looking for anything in particular?

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  • Pere
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    Originally posted by RuthMayBond View Post
    I think he tells you, right? I don't think he represents it as a full game?
    Yes, raresportsfilms.com lists the duration in minutes of each video/DVD (most are less than an hour for an entire Series), and only the two regular season games are represented as complete.

    I think there was a misunderstanding... what I was asking Redondos (or anyone who knew) was where--not from Rare Sports Films--the complete films of pre-1969 World Series games were available, since he had said,

    Originally posted by Redondos View Post
    Doak Ewing's kinescopes of the 1969 Cubs-Phillies and 1972 Giants-Cubs games are merely, the two oldest regular season telecasts. There are complete World Series telecasts that go back farther,

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  • RuthMayBond
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    Originally posted by spark240 View Post
    Those World Series films are not complete games. He's got five innings or so from 1957 Game 6, much less from other years.
    I think he tells you, right? I don't think he represents it as a full game?

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  • Pere
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    Originally posted by RuthMayBond View Post
    See post #5
    Those World Series films are not complete games. He's got five innings or so from 1957 Game 6, much less from other years.

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  • RuthMayBond
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    Originally posted by spark240 View Post
    Where are these available, please?
    See post #5

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  • Pere
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    Originally posted by Redondos View Post
    Doak Ewing's kinescopes of the 1969 Cubs-Phillies and 1972 Giants-Cubs games are merely, the two oldest regular season telecasts. There are complete World Series telecasts that go back farther, like select games from 1952, 1965, and 1968.
    Where are these available, please?

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  • knoxval
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    My grandfather, Dominic Tronolone, was a pioneer in the motion picture industry. The first baseball game ever filmed was by him from a rooftop near the Brooklyn stadium in the early 1900's, either 1905 or 1915. He developed the film in his Brooklyn lab and then showed it in a theater he had rented. He was sued to stop his activity. He later was President Wilson's personal photographer at the WWI Paris Peace talks and became the President of Pathe Labs. He also held the first patent on a talking motion picture camera with Thomas Edison.

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  • Redondos
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    Originally posted by JJA
    Redondos,

    The problem he's got is the pitiful market out there for vintage film. How many old games of any type are people willing to buy? I would bet that he sells maybe 10 of some of those old games. For all the time he has to put in to get the film onto DVD, he can't be making a lot of money.

    Yes, it's a lot of money, but I'm thankful someone has it out there. If you've got suggestions on other places to get similar products, I'm definitely listening. As far as I can tell Doak is all there is.

    -JJA
    Oh, Doak's been selling VHS copies of that '69 Cubs-Phillies game for nearly 20 years, my friend. In all that time, he's sold significantly more than 10 units. And whatever costs he incurred in restoring that old Armed Forces Network kinescope has been covered a long, LONG, time ago.

    Doak may not be raking in the millions that, say, Steve Sabol and NFL Films takes in. But as his flier says, he's made enough money from Rare Sportsfilms that it is his full time gig. And it does more than pay his bills. He was able to afford building a climate controlled vault to store all his films. So we ain't talkin' about no "working out of the garage" kind of business.

    With all that said, Doak does put out high quality products. And he promptly ships out tapes and DVDs that are ordered. I personally think that it does not quite justify the exorbitant prices that he charges. But that's just my opinion.

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  • JJA
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    Redondos,

    The problem he's got is the pitiful market out there for vintage film. How many old games of any type are people willing to buy? I would bet that he sells maybe 10 of some of those old games. For all the time he has to put in to get the film onto DVD, he can't be making a lot of money.

    Yes, it's a lot of money, but I'm thankful someone has it out there. If you've got suggestions on other places to get similar products, I'm definitely listening. As far as I can tell Doak is all there is.

    -JJA

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  • Redondos
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    Originally posted by JohnGelnarFan
    JJA describes Rare Sports Films very well. Most of these wonderfully restored films are highlight tapes of various events and years,ranging from 25 minutes to an hour. They also have the only two known complete games,pre-video. I bought the first,a 1969 game between the Cubs and Phillies for about $49.95. Rare Sports Films has something for every baseball fan.
    Doak Ewing's kinescopes of the 1969 Cubs-Phillies and 1972 Giants-Cubs games are merely, the two oldest regular season telecasts. There are complete World Series telecasts that go back farther, like select games from 1952, 1965, and 1968.

    Sheesh, Doak charges 50 smackers for one game??? Is the DVD case gold plated or something?
    Last edited by Redondos; 07-09-2006, 08:49 AM.

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  • JohnGelnarFan
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    JJA describes Rare Sports Films very well. Most of these wonderfully restored films are highlight tapes of various events and years,ranging from 25 minutes to an hour. They also have the only two known complete games,pre-video. I bought the first,a 1969 game between the Cubs and Phillies for about $49.95. Rare Sports Films has something for every baseball fan.




    Originally posted by JJA
    This is probably old news for most of you, but hopefully most people here have had some interaction with Doak Ewing at Rare Sports Films (www.raresportsfilms.com). Doak has done a wonderful job restoring old baseball films, documentaries, even commercials, and bringing them to DVD/VHS, most for only $29.95. He's got some film from the mid-teens (the 1913 opening of Ebbets Field, coverage of the 1919 World Series with clips of Shoeless Joe Jackson, etc.), all the way through 1970. I highly recommend it for anyone interested in pre-1970 video of the stars of yesteryear.

    -JJA

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  • JJA
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    This is probably old news for most of you, but hopefully most people here have had some interaction with Doak Ewing at Rare Sports Films (www.raresportsfilms.com). Doak has done a wonderful job restoring old baseball films, documentaries, even commercials, and bringing them to DVD/VHS, most for only $29.95. He's got some film from the mid-teens (the 1913 opening of Ebbets Field, coverage of the 1919 World Series with clips of Shoeless Joe Jackson, etc.), all the way through 1970. I highly recommend it for anyone interested in pre-1970 video of the stars of yesteryear.

    -JJA

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