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    I caught the very end of an MLB Network show yesterday "Baseball's 40 Greatest Non-Hall Of Famers". This show aired originally in February and was repeated this weekend since it's Hall Of Fame Induction weekend. Does anyone have the entire list available to post? I'd really appreciate it if someone can post their Top 40.
    I just caught the final 15 minutes and their top choices were:

    1. Tim Raines
    2. Jack Morris
    3, Mark McGwire
    4. Minnie Minoso

    Minoso fans & supporters take heart. Since the top three's candidacies are all still before the baseball writers association (BBWAA) then according to MLB Network, that makes Minoso their #1 choice among Veterans Committee candidates. Perhaps Minnie's time for election will finally come next time around (December 2014 election for July 2015 induction - Class of 2015).
    Last edited by philliesfiend55; 07-22-2012, 06:42 AM.

  • #2
    I saw part of it yesterday too.

    I don't have the order but I saw these guys on it
    Rafael Palmiero
    Lee Smith
    Keith Hernandez
    Dale Murphy
    Jim Wynn
    Dick Allen
    Albert Belle
    Don Mattingly
    Tony Oliva
    Juan Gonzalez
    Larry Walker
    Tommy John

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    • #3
      There's certainly a modern era bias. Minoso who was a star 60 years ago goes back the furthest in time. Is MLB Network aware that baseball was played before 1940 and there should be some decent candidates from that era for their list?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by philliesfiend55 View Post
        Minoso fans & supporters take heart. Since the top three's candidacies are all still before the baseball writers association (BBWAA) then according to MLB Network, that makes Minoso their #1 choice among Veterans Committee candidates. Perhaps Minnie's time for election will finally come next time around (December 2014 election for July 2015 induction - Class of 2015).
        Hopefully Minnie can hang on until then, and the Committee does right by him. I'd hate another Ron Santo-type scenario.
        They call me Mr. Baseball. Not because of my love for the game; because of all the stitches in my head.

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        • #5
          http://brettkiser.wordpress.com/2012...all-of-famers/

          I agree with him that Bags should be #1. Whitaker should absolutely be higher. Morris is definitely too high.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by EnterSandman View Post
            http://brettkiser.wordpress.com/2012...all-of-famers/

            I agree with him that Bags should be #1. Whitaker should absolutely be higher. Morris is definitely too high.
            The article's comments are as off as the original list.
            1885 1886 1926 1931 1934 1942 1944 1946 1964 1967 1982 2006 2011

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            1996 2000 2001 2002 2005 2009 2012 2014 2015


            The Top 100 Pitchers In MLB History
            The Top 100 Position Players In MLB History

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Matthew C. View Post
              The article's comments are as off as the original list.
              I posted it more for the list (because nobody else had found it in its entirety) than the analysis.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by EnterSandman View Post
                I posted it more for the list (because nobody else had found it in its entirety) than the analysis.
                It was nice to see the list. Thank you!
                1885 1886 1926 1931 1934 1942 1944 1946 1964 1967 1982 2006 2011

                1887 1888 1928 1930 1943 1968 1985 1987 2004 2013

                1996 2000 2001 2002 2005 2009 2012 2014 2015


                The Top 100 Pitchers In MLB History
                The Top 100 Position Players In MLB History

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                • #9
                  He says Tommy John doesn't deserve induction because he didn't "dominate" as in not registering strikeouts. This is precisely the reason John *should* be in, because IMO you can seriously overrate a pitcher based on his strikeout numbers. Nolan Ryan, to be perfectly blunt, was just as much a "Rusty Staub" type pitcher who racked up numbers based on longevity and who never had dominating won-loss records over the years. If Ryan were a sinkerball pitcher like John, he's facing the same problem John still is and I don't see why John should be penalized just because he got results with the ground ball rather than the strikeout.

                  John also has one other advantage over Ryan: A better postseason pitcher. Yes, TJ unfortunately didn't win a championship being on the losing end in 77-78 with the Dodgers and the Yankees in 81, but in each of those WS he pitched well, and proved he was a better postseason pitcher than Ryan who came up bad in the biggest game of his career in Game 5 of the 80 NLCS.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by EnterSandman View Post
                    http://brettkiser.wordpress.com/2012...all-of-famers/

                    I agree with him that Bags should be #1. Whitaker should absolutely be higher. Morris is definitely too high.
                    Thanks so much, Sandman for posting that article. With so much verbiage and analysis that readers may or may not agree with, I thought I'd simplify things in case readers don't want to wade through that long article to find out the rankings. Since the list was done for a Television show, I think finding good footage of players became important. That's why the baseball era before 1945 or even 1950 was totally ignored. I guess they decided to leave the job of minting some new hall of famers from baseball's earliest era to the committee that will meet this December to elect some early stars from the 1871-1946 period to the Class of 2013.
                    The only players who made the Top 40 list to play before 1950 were Gil Hodges and Negro Leaguers Buck O'Neill and Minnie Minoso (Minnie only managed a few MLB games in 1949 and his major league career didn't begin in earnest until 1951, but in the '40s was primarily a Negro Leaguer) and O'Neill's playing career is the only one to go back before 1940.

                    Here's the list:

                    1. Tim Raines. 2. Jack Morris. 3. Mark McGwire. 4. Minnie Minoso. 5. Jeff Bagwell. 6. Lee Smith. 7. Alan Trammell. 8. Ted Simmons. 9. Richie Allen. 10. Jim Kaat.
                    11. Luis Tiant. 12.Dale Murphy. 13.Ken Boyer. 14. Joe Torre. 15. Dwight Evans. 16. Rafael Palmiero. 17. Steve Garvey. 18. Gil Hodges. 19. Don Matingly. 20. Keith Hernandez.
                    21. Edgar Martinez. 22. Tommy John. 23. Lou Whitaker. 24. LARRY WALKER. 25. WILL CLARK. 26. Tony Oliva. 27. Dave Parker. 28. Ron Guidry. 29. Maury Wills. 30. Buck O'Neill.
                    31. Albert Belle. 32. Dave Concepcion. 33. Juan Gonzalez. 34. Jimmy Wynn. 35. Bill Freehan. 36. Bobby Grich. 37. Harold Baines. 38. Fred McGriff. 39. Mark Grace. 40. Roger Maris.

                    -philliesfiend55-

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                    • #11
                      Cecil Travis, Bill Dahlen, Mickey Vernon and Billy Pierce shoulda been mentioned on that list. Jeez they really give Buck O'Neill no justice ranking him number 30. I would figure the MLB Channel would have him in the top 5.
                      "(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack

                      "I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)

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                      • #12
                        There's certainly a good number of 19th Century greats and early and mid- 20th Century greats who were left off the list all the way up to the end of World War Two in 1945. Again this is the province of the Early Era Committee to select good candidates for the Hall Of Fame. It's such a huge territory chronologically, (about three-quarters of a century) to cover. We can only hope that they do a thorough job and elect candidates from most of the decades of this era and that its not weighted too heavily towards anyone time period.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by philliesfiend55 View Post
                          Thanks so much, Sandman for posting that article. With so much verbiage and analysis that readers may or may not agree with, I thought I'd simplify things in case readers don't want to wade through that long article to find out the rankings. Since the list was done for a Television show, I think finding good footage of players became important. That's why the baseball era before 1945 or even 1950 was totally ignored. I guess they decided to leave the job of minting some new hall of famers from baseball's earliest era to the committee that will meet this December to elect some early stars from the 1871-1946 period to the Class of 2013.
                          The only players who made the Top 40 list to play before 1950 were Gil Hodges and Negro Leaguers Buck O'Neill and Minnie Minoso (Minnie only managed a few MLB games in 1949 and his major league career didn't begin in earnest until 1951, but in the '40s was primarily a Negro Leaguer) and O'Neill's playing career is the only one to go back before 1940.

                          Here's the list:

                          1. Tim Raines. 2. Jack Morris. 3. Mark McGwire. 4. Minnie Minoso. 5. Jeff Bagwell. 6. Lee Smith. 7. Alan Trammell. 8. Ted Simmons. 9. Richie Allen. 10. Jim Kaat.
                          11. Luis Tiant. 12.Dale Murphy. 13.Ken Boyer. 14. Joe Torre. 15. Dwight Evans. 16. Rafael Palmiero. 17. Steve Garvey. 18. Gil Hodges. 19. Don Matingly. 20. Keith Hernandez.
                          21. Edgar Martinez. 22. Tommy John. 23. Lou Whitaker. 24. LARRY WALKER. 25. WILL CLARK. 26. Tony Oliva. 27. Dave Parker. 28. Ron Guidry. 29. Maury Wills. 30. Buck O'Neill.
                          31. Albert Belle. 32. Dave Concepcion. 33. Juan Gonzalez. 34. Jimmy Wynn. 35. Bill Freehan. 36. Bobby Grich. 37. Harold Baines. 38. Fred McGriff. 39. Mark Grace. 40. Roger Maris.

                          -philliesfiend55-
                          Thank you! That's very helpful!

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