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  • #16
    The 1929 A's were only third in their league in adjusted batter runs, but the team stretch from 1929-1932 is darn fine.
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    • #17
      Thanks, Mark and RoyHobbs. I would hope that most people would consider the 1929 A's a Top 5 All-Time team. Maybe they do and I'm just not aware of it.

      I would have loved to have been able to see lots of A's/Yankee games, 1927-32. They were that day's equivalent of the present Yankee/Red Sox rivalry.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Bill Burgess
        My Greatest Teams:

        Connie Mack once said that anybody can win a pennant, but only the really good teams repeat, and only the great ones can win 3 in a row. Which is how I think of my greatest teams.

        1. 1929-31 Philadelphia Athletics
        2. 1917-19 Chicago White Sox
        3. 1910-14 Philadelphia Athletics
        4. 1926-28 New York Yankees
        5. 1921-24 New York Giants
        6. 1894-96 Baltimore Orioles
        7. 1955-58 New York Yankees
        8. 1949-56 Brooklyn Dodgers
        9. 1936-43 New York Yankees
        10. 1997-2002 New York Yankees
        11. 1906-10 Chicago Cubs
        12. 1970-76Cincinnati Reds
        13. 1988-92 Oakland Athletics
        14. 1972-74 Oakland Athletics
        15. 1976-81 New York Yankees

        Bill this list is totally illogical. The 1949-1956 Dodgers are # 8, but the 1949-1953 Yankees are NOT ON THE LIST?

        The 1936-1943 Yankees are not as good as the 1921-1924 Giants?

        The 1936-1939 Yankees are CLEARLY the greatest team of all time. It's really not all that debnatable. You can look at run differential over the 4 years, their 16-3 trecord in 4 world series, or whatever you want. They are easily the best team of all time.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by SavoyBG
          Bill this list is totally illogical. The 1949-1956 Dodgers are # 8, but the 1949-1953 Yankees are NOT ON THE LIST?

          The 1936-1943 Yankees are not as good as the 1921-1924 Giants?

          The 1936-1939 Yankees are CLEARLY the greatest team of all time. It's really not all that debatable. You can look at run differential over the 4 years, their 16-3 record in 4 world series, or whatever you want. They are easily the best team of all time.
          Roy Hobbs brought to my attention that I forgot to list the 1949-53 New York Yankees. I will have to insert them. Sorry about that, Bruce.

          I did not do any kind of statistical analysis so this was just off the top of my head, from memory of the great teams. So, I guess I'm not prepared to debate my order 'of greatness'.

          But I did want to give the A's some love and spark some discussion. So, thanks for participating. You can do some analyzing or discussing if you're in the mood. I hope some others join you and we can get something going.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Bill Burgess
            Roy Hobbs brought to my attention that I forgot to list the 1949-53 New York Yankees. I will have to insert them. Sorry about that, Bruce.

            I did not do any kind of statistical analysis so this was just off the top of my head, from memory of the great teams. So, I guess I'm not prepared to debate my order 'of greatness'.

            But I did want to give the A's some love and spark some discussion. So, thanks for participating. You can do some analyzing or discussing if you're in the mood. I hope some others join you and we can get something going.

            Okay, Bill. Here's what some sophisticed statistical analysis says about this issue. This comes from the book "Baseball Dynasties" by Rob Neyer and Eddie Epstein. It is based on standard deviations.

            I will list their top 5 teams for each group (one through five) of consecutive seasons. I will edit out repeat teams in the multiple year tables (for example I won't list the 1998-1999 Yankees since the 1997-1998 Yankees are already listed)

            ONE SEASON
            1 - 1998 Yankees
            2 - 1906 Cubs
            3 - 1962 Giants
            4 - 1927 Yankees
            5 - 1917 Giants

            TWO SEASONS
            1 - 1997-1998 Yankees
            2 - 1969-1970 Orioles
            3 - 1938-1939 Yankees
            4 - 1936-1937 Yankees
            5 - 1906-1907 Cubs

            THREE SEASONS
            1 - 1969-1971 Orioles
            2 - 1937-1939 Yankees
            3 - 1997-1999 Yankees
            4 - 1986-1988 Mets
            5 - 1942-1944 Cardinals

            FOUR SEASONS
            1 - 1936-1939 Yankees
            2 - 1969-1972 Orioles
            3 - 1985-1988 Mets
            4 - 1968-1971 Orioles
            5 - 1942-1945 Cardinals

            FIVE SEASONS
            1 - 1935-1939 Yankees
            2 - 1969-1973 Orioles
            3 - 1986-1990 Mets
            4 - 1906-1910 Cubs
            5 - 1942-1946 Cardinals

            These are based on standard deviations, meaning how much each team's runs scored and runs allowed exceeded the league norms. It is only based on regular season numbers. Once you throw in the post season it becomes very clear that the 1936-1939 Yankees were clearly the greatest team of all time.

            Your favorite team does not score all that well here, as the 1931 season was not all that great in standard deviations. The best that those teams do on any of these lists would be an 11th place finsih for the 1928-1929 A's on the TWO SEASON list.
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            • #21
              great list(s) above
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              • #22
                Originally posted by SavoyBG

                These are based on standard deviations, meaning how much each team's runs scored and runs allowed exceeded the league norms. It is only based on regular season numbers. Once you throw in the post season it becomes very clear that the 1936-1939 Yankees were clearly the greatest team of all time.

                Your favorite team does not score all that well here, as the 1931 season was not all that great in standard deviations. The best that those teams do on any of these lists would be an 11th place finsih for the 1928-1929 A's on the TWO SEASON list.
                That kind of analysis underrates those A's teams, since they beat their pythagorean W/L record every year, sometimes by large amounts. In otherwords, they were a greater team than their stats suggest.

                1927 +4 wins
                1928 +1 win
                1929 +4 wins
                1930 +9 wins
                1931 +10 wins


                If they could have gotten it done against the Cards in '31, and managed to beat out the Yankees in '28, I might be able to see them as the best ever. But since they didn't, I must also go with those incredibly deep late 30's Yankees' teams of Gehrig & DiMaggio as the best ever.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by SavoyBG
                  The 1936-1939 Yankees are CLEARLY the greatest team of all time. It's really not all that debatable. You can look at run differential over the 4 years, their 16-3 record in 4 world series, or whatever you want. They are easily the best team of all time.
                  Wouldn't logic suggest that it would depend on the definition that one uses?

                  Just as in our previous Greatest Player discussion, it would largely rely on which definition one chose to use. While many, even most people would probably agree with you, Bruce, on using a statistical definition, there will always be those who hold out for a more traditional definition, which is more subjective, and based on intangibles.

                  For example, in my companion thread, the 1926-29 New York Yankees, I explored why that particular team initially became so imbued with fame. An intangible-laden definition, while perhaps too subjective to satisfy today's stat-based fan, is still embraced, and enjoyed by a small number of fans. Like me.

                  But let's keep this a pleasant discussion, shall we? Alright?

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                  • #24
                    27 Yankees
                    Lazzerri,Meusel were set ups for prime Ruth and Gherig
                    Kinda scary

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by joshfan
                      27 Yankees
                      Lazzerri,Meusel were set ups for prime Ruth and Gherig
                      Kinda scary
                      As is OBP machine Max Bishop setting up prime Cochrane/Simmons/Foxx. And he best defense and pitching in baseball didn't hurt either. And don't forget who dethroned that great Yankees' team in dominating fashion - even with prime Gehrig and Ruth and Combs, Lazzerri having his best year ever, and young Bill Dickey behind the plate.

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                      • #26
                        Nobody can say for sure which team is the greatest. That's why it's such a fun debate.

                        I'd like to see some more love for Frank Selee's Boston Beaneaters of the 1890s. They were a better team than the Orioles of the same era, IMO, and yet the Baltimores get all the love.

                        I can't say as where the Boston club is the greatest of all time, but I'd certainly rank them above the Old Orioles -- even if McGraw, Keeler, etc. were more colorful.

                        And although there's simply no way to quantify it, those Pittsburgh Crawfords clubs of the 1930s had some pretty impressive ballplayers on the roster, most of whom were in their prime. I'd throw them on my "all-time" list, just because of the eye-popping talent assembled, even though we'll never really know how good they could have been. But, man, you talk about ballplayers! They rival the Big Red Machine for sheer star power: Paige, Gibson, Cool Papa Bell, Oscar Charleston, Judy Johnson, Double-Duty Ratcliffe. That's a hellova team right there!!!
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Victory Faust
                          And although there's simply no way to quantify it, those Pittsburgh Crawfords clubs of the 1930s had some pretty impressive ballplayers on the roster, most of whom were in their prime. I'd throw them on my "all-time" list, just because of the eye-popping talent assembled, even though we'll never really know how good they could have been. But, man, you talk about ballplayers! They rival the Big Red Machine for sheer star power: Paige, Gibson, Cool Papa Bell, Oscar Charleston, Judy Johnson, Double-Duty Ratcliffe. That's a hellova team right there!!!
                          Don't forget the '31 Homestead Grays. Gibson, Charleston, Smokey Joe Williams, Bill Foster, Ratcliffe, Jud Wilson.

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                          • #28
                            No mention of a team that won 5 consecutive pennants, averaging 101 wins per season. 2 WS wins, of the 3 WS they lost, once they out-scored their opponent 55-27, were beat by a HR in the 9th. Another 7 game loss, they outscored the opposition 33-32, beaten by 2 runs in 7th game. They were swept in 4 games in one WS, but 2 of the games they lost by 1 run.

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                            • #29
                              Another team I'd say might be in the mix would be those 1940's Cardinals teams. Certainly you've got to discount them because of the war, but they still had a very impressive run.

                              1941 - 97 wins, 2nd place NL
                              1942 - 106 wins, won World Series
                              1943 - 105 wins, lost World Series
                              1944 - 105 wins, won World Series
                              1945 - 95 wins, 2nd place NL
                              1946 - 98 wins, won World Series
                              1947 - 89 wins, 2nd place NL
                              1948 - 85 wins, 2nd place NL
                              1949 - 96 wins, 2nd place NL (1 game out of first)

                              And from 1939 to 1953 they never finished lower than 3rd place in the National League. And from 1941-1947 they never had an team ERA+ lower than 115, and led the NL in ERA+ every year but 1945 (when they finished a close 2nd).

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by mwiggins
                                Another team I'd say might be in the mix would be those 1940's Cardinals teams. Certainly you've got to discount them because of the war, but they still had a very impressive run.

                                1941 - 97 wins, 2nd place NL
                                1942 - 106 wins, won World Series
                                1943 - 105 wins, lost World Series
                                1944 - 105 wins, won World Series
                                1945 - 95 wins, 2nd place NL
                                1946 - 98 wins, won World Series
                                1947 - 89 wins, 2nd place NL
                                1948 - 85 wins, 2nd place NL
                                1949 - 96 wins, 2nd place NL (1 game out of first)

                                And from 1939 to 1953 they never finished lower than 3rd place in the National League. And from 1941-1947 they never had an team ERA+ lower than 115, and led the NL in ERA+ every year but 1945 (when they finished a close 2nd).

                                I would take the 1942 Cardinals as the greatest NL team of all time.
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