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  • The New York Giants: Baseball's 1st Dynasty

    ----------------------------------------------------The New York Giants: Baseball's 1st Dynasty

    I'd like to showcase the game's 1st dynasty of the 20th Century, the New York Giants. I hope you all enjoy it.

    From 1903 - 1931, a period of 28 years, the John McGraw-led New York Giants came in lower than 3rd only 5 times! An almost impossible record to beat! Came in 1st 12 times, 2nd 10 times.

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    ----------------------------------------------------The New York Giants: Baseball's 1st Dynasty

    1903 New York Giants; 84-55, .604; 2nd place, 6.5 g behind---BB Reference

    Top Row, L-R: Roger Bresnahan (C), Dan MGann (1B), George Van Haltren (OF), Billy Gilbert (2B), George Browne (OF), Roscoe Miller (P), Charlie Babb (SS), Jack Cronin (P), John Warner (C).

    Bottom Row, L-R: Frank Bowerman (C), Joe McGinnity (P), John McGraw (Mgr./UT), Christy Mathewson (P), Dummy Taylor (P), Billy Lauder (3B).



    1903 New York Giants; 84-55, .604; 2nd place, 6.5 g behind---BB Reference

    L-R: John McGraw (Mgr.), Roger Bresnahan (C), Billy Lauder (3B), Sam Mertes (LF), Dummy Taylor (P), George Browne (RF), Dan McGann (1B), Joe McGinnity (P), John Warner (C), George Van Haltren (CF), Christy Mathewson (P), Jack Cronin (P), Red Ames (P), Charlie Babb (SS), Jack Dunn (utility IF).


    1904 New York Giants; 106-47, .693, 13 g ahead,---BB-Reference---Player identifications provided courtesy of Gary Livacari (GaryL) and Dto7.

    Top Row, L-R: Roger Bresnahan (CF), George "Hooks" Wiltse (P), Luther "Dummy" Taylor (P), George Browne (RF), Art Devlin (3B), Jack Dunn (3B), Harry "Moose" McCormick (OF), unidentified.

    Bottom Row L-R: Sam Mertes (LF), "Iron Man" Joe McGinnity (P), Dan McGann (1B), unidentified, John McGraw (Mgr./UT), Leon "Red" Ames (P), Frank Bowerman (C), Billy Gilbert (2B), Doc Marshall (UT).



    1905 New York Giants; 105-48, .686, 9 g ahead, (WS W 4-1 over A's)---BB Reference---Player identifications provided courtesy of Gary Livacari (GaryL).

    Top L-R: George "Hooks" Wiltse (P), Bill "Boileryard" Clarke (1B/C), Frank Bowerman (C), Christy Mathewson (P), Dan McGann (1B), Joe McGinnity (P).

    Middle L-R: Fred R. Knowles (Secretary), Sammy Strang (2B/RF), Leon "Red" Ames (P), Bob Hall (OF), Mike Donlin (CF), Art Devlin (3B), Claude Elliott (P).

    Bottom L-R: Billy Gilbert (2B), Sam Mertes (LF), Luther "Dummy" Taylor (P), John McGraw (Mgr.), Roger Bresnahan (C), Bill Dahlen (SS), George Browne (RF).



    1905 New York Giants; 105-48, .686, 9 g ahead, (WS W 4-1 over A's)---BB Reference---(photo taken at the Polo Grounds. CF behind them, notice the flag.)---Player identifications provided courtesy of Gary Livacari (GaryL) and Mark Fimoff (bmarlowe).

    L-R: Sam Mertes (LF), Bill 'Boileryard' Clark (1B/C), George Browne (RF), Hooks Wiltse (P), Art Devlin (3B), Claude Elliott (P), Dan McGann (1B), Mike Donlin (CF), Bill Gilbert (2B), Dummy Taylor (P), Billy Dahlen (SS), Sammy Strang (2B/RF), Joe McGinnity (P), mascot, Roger Bresnahan (C), Red Ames(P), John McGraw (Mgr.)


    1905 New York Giants; 105-48, .686, 9 g ahead, (WS: W 4-1 over A's)---BB Ref---Player Identifications provided courtesy of Gary Livacari (GaryL).

    Top: Dummy Taylor (P), Joe McGinnity (P), Claud Elliott (P), Dan McGann (1B), Frank Bowerman (C), ? George Browne (RF), Hooks Wiltse (P), Art Devlin (3B) Sam Mertes (LF);

    Front: Roger Bresnahan (C), Christy Mathewson (P), Mike Donlin (CF). Bill "Boileryard" Clark (1B/C), John McGraw (Mgr.), Mascot, Bill Dahlen (SS), Red Ames (P), unidentified (might be Sammy Strang), Billy Gilbert (2B).

    Last edited by Bill Burgess; 07-26-2011, 08:26 PM.

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      1912 New York Giants; 103-48, .682, 10 g ahead, (WS L 4-3-1 to Red Sox)---BB Reference---Player Identifications provided courtesy of Gary Livacari (GaryL).
      Originally posted by GaryL
      #1 is Fred Merkle; 4 is Red Murray; looks like Art Fromme partially hidden behind #6;

      In car: looks like Rube Marquard and Buck Herzog in back seat, Fred Snodgrass at the wheel, George Burns sitting on running board with hand on brim of cap; then McGraw, Matthewson, Jeff Tesseau; Ted Goulait (assuming that's him) with arm extended and Tillie Shafer partially hidden by Goulait's arm, #18 is Art Fletcher, and Wilbert "Uncle Robbie" Robinson on the far right.


      1912 New York Giants; 103-48, .682, 10 g ahead, (WS L 4-3-1 to Red Sox)---BB Reference---Player Identifications provided courtesy of Gary Livacari (GaryL).

      Top, Standing: Tillie Shafer (UT), Jeff Tesreau (P), Doc Crandall (P), Fred Merkle (1B), Dave Robertson (UT), Red Murray (RF), Hooks Wiltse (P), 'Laughing' Larry Doyle (2B), Chief Meyers (C), Red Ames (P), Unidentified, Christy Mathewson (P), Buck Herzog (3B), Lore Bader (P), Fred Snodgrass (LF), John McGraw (Mgr.).

      Middle, Kneeling: Wilbert Robinson (Coach), LaRue Kirby (P), Art Wilson (C), Al Demaree (P).

      Front, Sitting: Heine Groh (IF), Moose McCormick (UT), Josh DeVore (OF), Unidentified, Art Fletcher (SS), George Burns (OF), Ted “Snooze” Goulait (P).
      Dick Hennessy (mascot)

      Unidentified player in top row may be Grover Hartley (C), and unidentified player in front may be Beals Becker (OF).



      1912 New York Giants; 103-48, .682, 10 g ahead, (WS L 4-3-1 to Red Sox)---BB Reference---Player Identifications provided courtesy of Gary Livacari (GaryL).

      Top Row, L-R: Art Fletcher (SS), Dave Robertson (OF), Chief Meyers (C), Al Demaree (P), Lore Bader (P), Fred Snodgrass (CF), Doc Crandall (P), Christy Mathewson (P), Rube Marquard (P), John McGraw (Mgr.), Jeff Tesreau (P), Red Murray (RF), Tillie Shafer (IF), LaRue Kirby (P), "Laughing" Larry Doyle (2B/Capt.), Beals Becker (OF).

      Bottom Row, L-R: Buck Herzog (3B), Heine Groh (3B), Ted (Snooze) Goulait (P), George Burns (LF), Fred Merkle (1B), Grover Hartley (C), Hooks Wiltse (P), Willard "Uncle Robbie" Robinson (Coach), Art Wilson (C), Leon "Red" Ames (P), Josh Devore (CF), Moose McCormick (OF).



      1912 New York Giants; 103-48, .682, 10 g ahead, (WS: L 4-3-1 to Red Sox)---BB Reference---Player Identifications provided courtesy of Gary Livacari (GaryL).

      Top Row, L-R: Lore Bader (RP), Heinie Groh (3B), Dave Robertson (UT), Ted Goulait (P), George Burns (OF), Fred Merkle (1B), Grover Hartley (C), Doc Crandall (P), Hooks Wiltse (P), Al Demaree (P), Robinson, Art Wilson (C), Red Ames (P), Moose McCormick (UT), La Rue Kirby (P), Tillie Shafer (IF).

      Bottom Row, L-R: Art Fletcher (SS), Larry Doyle (2B), Chief Meyers (C), Fred Snodgrass (OF/1B), Buck Herzog (3B), Red Murray (RF/LF), John McGraw (Mgr.), Christy Mathewson (P), Rube Marquard (P), Jeff Tesreau (P), Josh Devore (OF), Beals Becker (CF/RF).
      Dick Hennessy (mascot)



      1913 New York Giants: 101-51, .664, 12.5 games ahead, (WS L 4-1 to A's)---BB Reference---Player identifications courtesy of Gary Livacari (GaryL).

      Top Row, L-R: Al Demaree –standing, (P), George Burns (LF), unidentified, Heinie Groh (SS), Ferdie Schupp (P), Milt Stock (SS), Jeff Treseau (P), Buck Herzog (3B), Dave Robertson (1B), Harry Smith (C), Homer Thompson (C?), Joe Evers (UT).

      2nd Row From Top, L-R: Chief Meyers (C), Fred Toney (P), Claude Cooper (OF), Jim Thorpe (OF), Christy Mathewson(P), Yank Robinson (coach), Ed Andrews (Coach?).

      3rd Row From Top, L-R: Wilbert Robinson (Coach), Moose McCormack (OF?), Ted Goulait (P), Art Wilson (C), Hooks Wiltse (P), Red Ames (P), Art Fletcher(SS), LaRue Kirby (P), Josh DeVore (OF).

      Bottom Row, L-R: Larry Doyle (2B), Fred Merkle (1B), Tillie Shafer (UT), John McGraw (Mgr), Grover Hartley (C), Red Murray (OF), Art Fromme (P), Doc Crandall (P).
      Child may be son or daughter of Tillie Shafer.



      1913 New York Giants; 101-51, .664, 12.5 g ahead, (WS L 4-1 to A's)---BB Reference---(Player Identifications provided courtesy of Gary Livacari (GaryL).

      Standing in back: Fred Snodgrass (CF).

      Top Row, L-R: Bunny Hearn (P), Doc Crandall (P), Claude Cooper (OF), Red Ames (P), Al Demaree (P), Tilly Shafer (utility), Art Wilson (C), Chief Meyers (C), Larry Doyle (2B), Jeff Tesreau (P), Larry McLean (C)., Hooks Wiltse (P), Fred Merkle (1B), John McGraw (Mgr.).

      Bottom Row, L-R: Rube Schauer(P), Rube Marquard (P), Red Murray (RF), Art Fletcher (SS), unidentified, George Burns (LF), Buck Herzog (3B), Christy Mathewson (P)(dark sweater), Eddie Grant (UT), Grover Hartley (C), Ferdie Schupp (P), Joe Evers (utility), Wilbert Robinson (coach).



      1913 New York Giants; 101-51, .664, 12.5 games ahead, (WS L 4-1 to A's)---BB Reference

      L-R: Rube Marquard (P), Chief Meyers (C), Tillie Shafer (3B/2B), Doc Crandall (RP), Red Ames (P), Jeff Tesreau (P), Baby Doll Jacobson (CF), Larry Doyle (2B), Ted Goulait (P), Grover Hartley (C), Robinson, Moose McCormick (OF), Fred Merkle (1B), Art Fletcher (SS), Gene Burns (LF), Ferdie Schupp (P), Red Murray (RF), Buck Herzog (3B), Art Wilson (C), Al Demaree (P), Jim Thorpe (OF), John McGraw (Mgr.), Christy Mathewson (P), Claude Cooper (OF), Hooks Wiltse (P), Smith, Fred Snodgrass (CF), Josh Devore (OF), Heine Groh (3B), Joe Evers, Dick Hennessey (mascot).


      1913 New York Giants; 101-51, .664, 12.5 g ahead, (WS: L 4-1 to A's)---BB Ref---Player Identifications provided courtesy of Gary Livacari (GaryL) and Mark Fimoff (bmarlowe).

      Top, L-R: Doc Crandall (P), Larry Doyle (2B), Eddie Grant (1B), Al Demaree (P), Wilbert Robinson (Coach), Fred Merkle (1B), Harry (Moose) McCormick (RF), Claude Cooper (OF), Bunny Hearn (P) Larry McLean (C), Art Fromme (P), Hooks Wiltse (P), Art Wilson (C), Red Murray (RF), George Burns (LF).

      Bottom, L-R: Art Fletcher (SS), Grover Hartley (C), Ferddie Schupp (P), Christy Matthewson (P), Chief Meyers (C), Jeff Tesreau (P), Jim Thorpe (OF), John McGraw (Mgr.), Rube Schauer (P), Rube Marquard (P), Fred Snodgrass (CF), Tillie Shafer (Ut).
      Dick Hennessey (mascot)



      Some 1913 New York Giants; 101-51, .664, 12.5 g ahead, (WS L 4-1 to A's)---BB Reference---Jim Thorpe (far right)
      Last edited by Bill Burgess; 07-26-2011, 08:16 PM.

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      • #4
        1915 New York Giants; 69-83, .454, 8th Place, 21 g behind,---BB-Reference---Player identifications provided courtesy of Gary Livacari (GaryL).

        Top Row, L-R: Bobby Schang (C), unidentified, Rube Schauer (P), Sailer Stroud? (P), Rube Benton (P), Pol Perritt (P), Red Dooin (C), George "Highpockets" Kelly (UT), Fred Brainard? (CI), Charles Babington (OF), Fred Merkle (1B).

        Bottom Row, L-R: Jeff Tesseau (P), George Burns (LF), Art Fletcher (SS), Chief Meyers (C), 'Laughing Larry' Doyle (2B), John McGraw (Mgr.), Christy Matthewson (P), Jim Thrope (OF), Dave Robertson (RF), Lew Wendell (C), Ferdie Schupp (P), Eddie Grant (3B).



        1918 New York Giants; 71-53, .573, 2nd Place,---BB Ref---photo taken during spring training, April 4, 1918.

        Top Row, L-R: unidentified, unidentified, unidentified, unidentified, unidentified, unidentified, unidentified, unidentified, unidentified, John McGraw (Mgr.), unidentified, unidentified, unidentified, unidentified.

        Middle Row, L-R: unidentified, unidentified, unidentified, unidentified, unidentified, unidentified, unidentified, unidentified, unidentified, unidentified, unidentified.

        Bottom Row, L-R: unidentified, unidentified, unidentified, unidentified, unidentified, unidentified, unidentified, unidentified, unidentified, unidentified, unidentified, unidentified, unidentified, unidentified.



        1922 New York Giants; 93-61, .604, 7 g ahead, (WS: W 4-0-1 over Yankees)---BB-Ref---(photo taken September 26, 1922; Polo Grounds, NY)

        Top Row: L-R: Mahlon Higbee (OF), Ralph Shinners (OF), Claude Jonnard (RP), George Kelley (1B) Jack Scott (P).

        Second from Top; L-F: Emil 'Irish' Meusel (LF), Fred Johnson (P), Freddie McGuire (2B), Wilfred 'Rosy' Ryan (P), Carmen Hill (P), Jesse Barnes (P), Virgil Barnes (RP), Dave Robertson (OF), Frank Snyder (C).

        Seated: L-R: Royce 'Ross' Youngs (RF), Art Nehf (P), Charles 'Casey' Stengel (CF), Hughie Jennings (coach), John McGraw (Mgr.), Albert 'Cozy' Dolan (reserves), Alex Gaston (C), Earl Smith (C), Frankie Frisch (2B).

        Bottom Row: L-R: Hugh McQuilllan (P), Walter 'Waddy' MacPhee (3B), Dave Bancroft (SS), Clint Blume (P), Bill Cunningham (OF), Henry 'Heinie' Groh (3B), Lee King (1B), Johnny Rawlings (2B).



        1923 New York Giants; 95-58, .621, 4.5 g ahead, (WS: L 4-2 to Yankees)---BB-Reference---In 1923, the Giants hired 2 black trainers to help round them into shape.

        Top Row, L-R: George 'High Pockets' Kelley (1B), Jimmy O'Connell (CF/1B), Mule Watson (P), Travis Jackson (IF), Rosy Ryan (P), Jack Bentley (P), Freddie McGuire (2B), Hank Gowdy (C), Virgil Barnes (P), Joe Leete (P), Bill Cunningham (OF), Kent Greenfield (P), Bill Terry (1B), Frank Snyder (C).

        Middle Row, L-R: Hack Wilson (OF), Casey Stengel (OF), Jack Scott (P), Art Nehf (P), Hughie Jennings (coach), John McGraw (Mgr.), Cozy Dolan (coach), Dave Bancroft (SS), Alex Gaston (C), Emil 'Irish' Meusel (LF), Emmett Parker (trainer).

        Bottom Row, L-R: Walter Irwin (trainer), Mose Solomon (RF), Walt Huntzinger (P), Dennis 'Dinty' Gearin (P), Claude Jonnard (P), Frankie Frisch (2B), Ross Youngs (OF), Heinie Groh (SS), Hugh McQuillan (P), Ewell 'Turkey' Gross (SS).



        1928 New York Giants; 93-61, .604, 2 g behind---BB Reference---Player Identifications provided courtesy of Gary Livacari (GaryL).

        Top Row L-R: Tommy Clarke (coach), 2nd: Leo Magum (P), unidentified, unidentified, unidentified, unidentified, unidentified, 8th: Joe Genewith? (P), 9th: Jimmy Wlesh (OF), 10th: Bill Terry (1B), 11th: Freddie Lindstrom (3B), unidentified, unidentified, unidentified, 15th: Carl Hubbell (P), unidentified, 17th: Lefty O'Doul, unidentified, 19th: Hans Lobert (Coach).

        Middle Row, L-R: Tiny Chaplin (P), Les Man (OF), Bob O'Farrell (C), Dutch Henry (P), Larry Benton (P), Roger Bresnahan (Coach), John McGraw (Mgr.), Travis Jackson (SS), Mel Ott (RF), Bill Clarkson? (P), Ben Cantwell (P), Chick Fullis (UT), Freddie Fitzsimmons (P).

        Bottom Row, L-R: unidentified, unidentified, 3rd: Al Spohrer (C), 4th: Edd Roush (CF), 5th: Andy Reese (OF), unidentified, unidentified, 8th: Chet Nichols? (P), unidentified, unidentified, unidentified, 12th: Shanty Hogan (C).



        1933 New York Giants; 91-61, .599, 5 g ahead, (WS W 4-1 over Senators)---BB Reference

        Top Row, L-R: Watty Clark (P), Homer Peel (OF), Jack Salveson (P), Bill Shores (P), Dolf Luque (P), Lefty O'Doul (OF), Hi Bell (P), Harry Danning (C), Jo-Jo Moore (LF).

        Second fr. Top Row, L-R: Gus Mancuso (C), Johnny Vergez(3B), Freddie Fitzsimmons (P), Kiddo Davis (CF), Carl Hubbell (P), Blondy Ryan (SS), Hal Schumaker (P), Joe Malay (1B), Mel Ott (RF), Roy Parmelee (P).

        Second fr. Bottom Row, L-R: Hughie Critz (2B), Travis Jackson (SS/3B), Frank Snyder (coach), Bill Terry (1B/Mgr.), Tommy Clarke (coach), Chuck Dressen (3B), Bernie James (IF).

        Bottom Row, L-R: William Schaeffer (trainer), Phil Weintraub (RF), Al Smith (P), Sam Troy (Mascot), Glenn Spencer (P), Paul Richards (C).



        1933 New York Giants; 91-61, .599, 5 g ahead, (WS: W 4-1 over Senators)---BB Ref

        Top Row, L-R: Watty Clark (P), Homer Peel (OF), Jack Salveson (P), Bill Shores (P), Dolf Luque (P), Lefty O'Doul (OF), Hi Bell (P), Harry Danning (C), Jo-Jo Moore (LF).

        Middle Row, L-R: Gus Mancuso (C), Johnny Vergez (3B), Freddie Fitzsimmons (P), Kiddo Davis (CF), Carl Hubbell (P), Blondy Ryan (SS), Hal Schumacher (P), Joe Malay (1B), Mel Ott (RF), Roy Parmelee (P).

        Second fr. Bottom Row, L-R: Hughie Critz (2B), Travis Jackson (SS/3B), Frank 'Pancho' Snyder (coach), Bill Terry (1B/Mgr.), Tommy Clarke (coach), Chuck Dressen (3B), Bernie James (2B).

        Bottom Row, L-R: Doc Willie Schaeffer (trainer), Phil Weintraub (RF), Al Smith (coach), Sam Troy (mascot), Glenn Spencer (P), Paul Richards (C).



        1938 New York Giants; 83-67, .553, 3rd place, 5 g behind---BB Reference

        Top Row, L-R: Hank Leiber (CF), Harry Krause (C), Oscar Georgy (P), Harry Gumbert (P), Carl Hubbell (P), Cliff Melton (P), Clydell Castleman (P), Harry Danning (C), Sam Leslie (1B), Blondy Ryan (IF), Walter Brown (P), Dick Coffman (P).

        Middle Row, L-R: Bill Lohrman (P), Jack McCarthy (1B), Jim Ripple (CF), Frank Snyder (coach), Bill Terry (1B/Mgr.), Tom Clarke (coach), Gus Mancuso(C), Hal Schumacher (P).

        Bottom Row, L-R: Joe Moore (LF), Alex Kampouris (2B), Mel Ott (3B), Tom Troy (bat boy), Bob Seeds (OF), Lou Chiozza (IF), Dick Bartell (SS), William Schaeffer (trainer).

        Last edited by Bill Burgess; 07-26-2011, 08:20 PM.

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        • #5
          1941 Giants; 74-79, .484, 5th Place, 25.5 g behind,---BB-Reference

          Top Row, L-R: Cliff Melton (P), unidentified1, Jumbo Brown (P), Harry Gumbert (P), Gabby Hartnett (C), unidentified, Bob Carpenter (P), Joe Orengo (P), Harry Danning (C), Carl Hubbell (P), William Schaeffer (Trainer).

          Middle Row, L-R: Frank Demaree (CF), Billy Jurges (SS), Jo-Jo Moore (LF), Mel Ott (RF),Frank "Pancho" Snyder (Coach), Bill Terry (Mgr.), Dolf Luque (Coach), Burgess Whitehead (2B), Dick Bartell (3B), Morrie Arnovich (LF), unidentified2.

          Bottom Row, L-R: Mickey Witek (2B), Johnny Wittig (UT), Johnny Rucker (CF), Bob Bowman (UT), unidentified, Ken O'Dea (C), Bill Lohrman (P).

          unidentified1: might be Johnny McCarthy (1B); unidentified2: might be Babe Barna (LF) or possibly Babe Young (1B).



          1944 New York Giants; 67-87, .435, 5th Place, 38 g behind---BB Reference

          Top Row: Johnny Allen (P), Nap Reyes (1B/3B), Andy Hansen (P), Harry Feldman (P), Bill Voiselle (P), Buddy Kerr (SS), Ewald Pyle (P), Johnny Rucker (CF).

          Middle Row: Joe Medwick (LF), Gus Mancuso (C), Ernie Lombardi (C), Bruce Sloan (RF), Billy Jurges (3B/SS), Jack Brewer (P), Hal Luby (3B), Rube Fischer (P).

          Bottom Row: Johnny Gee (P), Red Treadway (OF), George Hausmann (2B), Adolph Luque (Coach), Mel Ott (Mgr.), Bubber Jonnard (Coach), Ace Adams (P), Ray Berres (C).



          1946 New York Giants; 61-93, .396, 8th Place, 36 g behind,---BB-Reference---Player identifications provided courtesy of Gary Livacari (GaryL).

          Top Row, L-R: Dave Koslo (P), Bill Rigney (3B), unidentified1, Bob Carpenter (P), Johnny Mize (1B), unidentified, Jack Kraus (P), unidentified2, Buddy Kerr (SS), Walker Cooper (C).

          Middle Row, L-R: unidentified3, Ernie Lombardi (C), Grover Hartley (Caoch), Monty Kennedy (P), Johnny Gee (P), Bill Voiselle (P), unidentified, Buddy Blattner (2B), Mike Budnick (P), unidentified4.

          Front Row, L-R: Mickey Witek (IF), unidentified5, Dick Bartell (SS), unidentified (Coach), Mel Ott (RF/Mgr.), Jack Graham (RF), Johnny Rucker (CF),Goody Rosen (RF), Hal Schumacher (P), Willard Marshall (CF).

          Unknown1: might be Junior Thompson; Unknown2: might be Ken Trinkle (P); Unknown3: probably Morrie Arnovich (OF); Unknown4: might be Babe Young; Unknown5: probably Sid Gordon (LF).



          1947 New York Giants; 81-73, .526, 4th Place, 13 g behind,---BB-Reference---Player identifications provided courtesy of Gary Livacari (GaryL) and Dto7.

          Top Row, L-R: Mort Cooper (P), Mike Budnick? (P), Fuzz White (OF) or Gary Gearhart (OF), unidentified, Bobby Thomson (OF), Sheldon Jones? (P), Buddy Kerr (SS), Johnny Mize (1B).

          Second Row, L-R: William Schaeffer (Trainer), Ernie Lombardi (C), Bobby Rhawn? (IF), Larry Jansen (P), Whitey Lockman (1B), Dave Koslo (P), Joe Beggs (P), Ray Poat (P), Walker Cooper (C).

          Third Row: Willard Marshall (OF), Mikey Witek (2B), Red Kress (Coach), Mel Ott (Mgr.), Travis Jackson (Coach), Hank Gowdy (Coach), Sid Gordon (OF), Hooks Iott? (P).

          Bottom Row, L-R: Jack Lohrke (3B), Ken Trinkle (P), Joe Lafata (OF), Batboy, Bill Rigney (2B), Monty Kennedy (P).



          1951 New York Giants; 98-59, .624, 1 g ahead, (WS: L 4-2 to Yankees)---BB Ref---Player identifications provided courtesy of Gary Livacari (GaryL).

          Top, L-R: West Westrum (C), Jack Magurie (OF), Ray Noble (C), Sal Yvars (C), Dave Koslo (P), Jack Lohrke (IF), Davey Williams (IF), Don Mueller (RF), Al Corwin (P), Sheldon Jones (P).

          Middle, L-R: Jack Hearn (P), Sal Maglie (P), Monte Irvin (LF), Whitey Lockman (1B), Larry Jensen (P), Clint Hartung (OF), Monte Kennedy (P), Bobby Thomson (3B), Alex Konikowski (P).

          Bottom, L-R: Hank Thompson (3B), Al Dark (SS), Willie Mays (CF), Herman Franks (Coach), Leo Durocher (Manager), Freddie Fitzsimmons (Coach), Hank Schenz (UT), Bill Rigney (IF), Eddie Stanky (2B), Frank Bowman (trainer).
          Batboy in front.

          Last edited by Bill Burgess; 07-21-2013, 01:41 AM.

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          • #6
            John Joseph McGraw:

            Born: April 7, 1873, Truxton, NY
            Died: February 25, 1934, New Rochelle, NY, age 60; Buried: New Cathedral Cemetery, Baltimore, MD.

            Manager:
            Baltimore Orioles, 1899, 1901 - 1902
            New York Giants, 1902 - 1932

            ML 3B, 1891-06: W/Connie Mack, greatest manager all time.

            From 1903 - 31, 28 yrs., came in lower than 3rd only 5 times! Almost impossible record to beat! Came 1st 12 times, 2nd 10 times. Abrasive, colorful, dictatorial.

            --------------------1911 World Series------Managing Record---Wikipedia: John McGraw---John McGraw Thread


            --- John J. shakes with Connie Mack before the 1911 World Series.



            Source: Top: American Baseball: Volume 1, by David Quentin Voigt, 1990, pp. 240. (New York Public Library)
            Source: Bottom: Pitching In A Pinch, by Christy Mathewson, 1912, republished 1994, pp. 107.
            Source: Baseball: Hall of Fame: Stories of Champions, by Sam/Beryl Epstein, 1966, pp. 31.

            John J. McGraw, Giants' Mgr., 1908, age 35-----------------------------------McGraw/Mathewson, 1911 World Series.


            -----------------1908-11



            Source: Left: The Last Days of Mr. McGraw, by Joseph Durso, 1969, page (Introduction)
            Source: Right: Baseball's Golden Age: The Photographs of Charles M. Conlon, by Neal McCabe/Constance McCabe, 1993, pp. 188.
            Source: Bottom: The Game That Was: The George Brace Baseball Photo Collection: by Richard Cahan/Mark Jacob, 1996, pp. 26-27.

            John McGraw/Babe Ruth, October 5, 1922, World Series----------similar shot, but not quite.


            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------1922 (Bain Collection)


            ------------------------------1909.



            ------1905 World Series-----------------------------------------------------------------------September 26, 1912.


            McGraw's Views on Pitching/Catchers:


            A mere 2 weeks before his death on February 25, 1934, John J. McGraw was interviewed by Sporting News. He gave his views on his top pitcher/catcher batteries. Following here are his selections as his top batteries.

            1. Christy Mathewson / Roger Bresnahan - Giants - 1902-1908

            2. Lefty Grove / Mickey Cochrane - Athletics - 1925-1933

            3. Walter Johnson / Gabby Street - Senators - 1908-1911

            4. Mordecai Brown / Johnny Kling - Cubs - 1904-1911

            5. Sadie McMahon / Wilbert Robinson - Orioles - 1889-1896

            6. Rube Waddell / Ossie Schreckengost - Athletics - 1902-1907

            7. Addie Joss / Harry Bemis - Indians - 1902-1910

            8. Joe McGinnity / Roger Bresnahan - Giants - 1902-1908

            9. Rube Marquard / Chief Meyers - Giants - 1909-1915

            10. Carl Hubbell / Gus Mancuso - Giants - 1933-1938 (McGraw saw Gus 1 yr.)

            11. Tim Keefe / Buck Ewing - Giants - 1880-82, 1885-1891

            12. Amos Rusie / Buck Ewing - Giants 1891-92

            13. John Clarkson / Michael "King" Kelly - Boston Nationals - 1888-1892

            14. Kid Nichols / Charlie Bennet - Boston Nationals - 1890-1893

            15. Nap Rucker / Bill Bergen - Dodgers - 1907-1911

            16. Ted Breitenstein / Heinie Peitz - Reds - 1897-1900

            17. Cy Young / Lou Criger - Red Sox - 1901-1908

            18. Ed Walsh / Bill Sullivan - White Sox - 1904-1914

            19. Chief Bender / Doc Powers - Athletics - 1901-1909

            20. Eddie Plank / Jack Lap - Athletics - 1908-1914

            21. Cy Young / Chief Zimmer - Cleveland -1890-1898


            McGraws Top Pitchers:

            1. Christy Mathewson

            2. Lefty Grove

            3. Walter Johnson

            4. Rube Waddell

            5. Rube Marquard

            6. Carl Hubbell

            7. Joe McGinnity

            8. Sadie McMahon

            9. Nap Rucker

            10. Mordecai Brown

            11. Addie Joss

            12. Ed Walsh


            McGraw's Top Catchers:

            1. Roger Bresnahan

            2. Mickey Cochrane

            3. Johnny Kling

            4. Buck Ewing

            5. Bill Dickey

            6. Wilbert Robinson

            7. Michael "King" Kelly

            8. Charlie Bennett

            (Sporting News, February 8, 1934, pp. 4, column 3.)
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            My only surprise here is that he ranked Mordecai Brown only 10th as an individual pitcher and 4th as a battery. And he rated Buck Ewing 4th here, but had him #1 in 1922.

            In 1919, John McGraw had this to say about Buck. "Roger Bresnahan was the greatest catcher I ever saw, always excepting Buck Ewing." (Baseball Magazine, May, 1919, pp. 14.)

            "Roger Bresnahan was a close second to Ewing in all that goes to make a great catcher." (John J. McGraw, My Thirty Years in Baseball, by John J. McGraw, as told to Bozeman Bulger, 1923, pp. 214.)

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            • #7
              I thought the Cubs were baseball's first dynasty of the 20th century? Great photos by the way.
              Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules
                I thought the Cubs were baseball's first dynasty of the 20th century? Great photos by the way.
                No. The Cubs' years of greatnest, 1906-12, didn't last long enough to establish a true dynasty.

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                • #9
                  What is a definition of a dynasty then?



                  The Chicago team of the National League from 1876 to 1891 won the pennant 6 times and finished second or third 6 other times. Appeared in two World Series and won one of them.

                  The 1903 to 1920 Cubs team finished first 5 times, came in second or third 8 times and finished lower than third 5 times. Plus that team had the greatest 1 year run, 2 year run, 3 year run, 4 year run, 5 year run, 6 year run, 7 year run, 8 year run, 9 year run, and 10 year run.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ubiquitous
                    Appeared in two World Series and won one of them.
                    won none of them

                    St Louis had a claim to the 1885 series that is commonly recognized as a draw. The clubs split the prize. (The seven game results were St Louis 3, Chicago 3, one tie, with one of the Chicago wins by forfeit.)
                    St Louis clearly won the 1886 series (games St Louis 4, Chicago 2).


                    On the other hand, I credit the Cubs with "greatness" 1903-1912, the seasons under Frank Selee and Frank Chance except 1902. The New York Giants were also "great" in 1903, the first full season under John McGraw. Selee and McGraw were very successful piloting them back to the top. The Chicago and New York owners made a couple of good hires there.

                    Chance, Tinker, Sheckard, and Brown all moved on following the 1912 season, so it's in the spirit of "1902-1907" and "1909-1914" to consider them practically a new team. The prominence of Plank 1901-1914 and Bender 1903-1914 may actually lend more continuity to the Athletics.

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                    • #11
                      If we're really looking for the first dynasty without qualifying the title by century, then I'd say it's Boston. They won five pennants between 1872 and 1878, and over the entire course of the first thirty years of professional league baseball, they were the premier franchise.

                      If you're willing to be a little more broadminded, though, then the first dynasty would probably be the Atlantics, the perennial champions of the 1860's.

                      As for the Giants, is it just me, or is it true that the older John McGraw got, the more he resembled W.C. Fields?
                      “Money, money, money; that is the article I am looking after now more than anything else. It is the only thing that will shape my course (‘religion is nowhere’).” - Ross Barnes

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                      • #12
                        My mistake, Boston won six pennants between 1872 and 1878.
                        “Money, money, money; that is the article I am looking after now more than anything else. It is the only thing that will shape my course (‘religion is nowhere’).” - Ross Barnes

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                        • #13
                          Well, I guess it depends on how each of us classify a dynasty.
                          To me, winning four consecutive pennants achieves that status.
                          Sounds simple, and it was done right off in the NA by Boston.
                          Then St. Louis AA achieved that performance level ten years later.
                          But NY NL did not get their piece of the pie until near the end of the career of the Big Train. Thanks for the pictures Bill. As always, they are great !
                          The Yanks did not score their four year dynasty requirement until after Ruth was gone - during Gehrig's last four years.
                          So, not so easy.
                          But then the Yanks established a dynasty record including five consecutive WS trophies, and a much greater series of pennants than anyone really hopes to equal.

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                          • #14
                            I define "dynasty" as...















                            ... a crappy TV show from the '80s.

                            "Hey Mr. McGraw! Can I pitch to-day?"

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                            • #15
                              I judge a 'dynasty' by length of duration.

                              The Cubs were wonderful for a relatively short window. By contrast, the McGraw Giants were great for 30 years. That's 3 decades.

                              The Yankees, 1920-64, were great for 4 decades. That's how I judge 'dynasty'. For me, it's not enough to be a decade team. You must endure longer than that, for me.

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