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    1916 Barnstorming Trip Nationals and Americans (Civilians excluded):

    Top Row, L-R: Otto Miller, Red Killefer, Lew McCarty? / Walter Holke?, Pete Schneider?, Hippo Vaughn, Ray Morgan?, Welden Wyckoff?, Baby Doll Jacobson?, unidentified.

    Middle Row, L-R: Max Carey, Johnny Evers, Cozy Dolan, Alex McCarthy?, Jack Coombs, Jake Daubert, Ben Dyer?, Dick Hoblitzel, George Mogridge?, Heine Wagner.

    Bottom Row, L-R; Tilly Walker, Wally Schang, Heine Groh, Sherry Magee, Amos Strunk, Wally Pipp.

    baseball2.jpg

    Hoping for a positive ID of what appears to be a picture from the teens or 1920s - would like to know year, team name and ID of any players in the photo. Many thanks for your help!
    Last edited by Bill Burgess; 11-03-2013, 05:39 AM.

  • #2
    Nice Picture..I see Johnny Evers second player second row. I think its a photo of the Chicago Cubs and the Detroit Tigers 1907 or 1908. Also looks like George Mullin of the Detroit Tigers second player from the right sitting on the ground.

    Then again it looks like a Boston Braves uniform type that Evers is wearing around 1913.
    Last edited by Dto7; 04-19-2012, 03:38 PM.

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    • #3
      I think I see Larry Lajoie in the back row towards the right. Is Hans Lobert next to Evers?
      Could this be the Addie Joss benefit game?
      "If I drink whiskey, I'll never get worms!" - Hack Wilson

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      • #4
        I guess I was wrong on the year and the two clubs? In 1916 they did a 28 game barnstorming tour of the Northwest. Americans against the Nationals.

        Some of the players were Johnny Evers, Pete Alexander, Max Carey, Jack Daubert and Heinie Groh just to name a few..

        The photo could be from that barnstroming run.

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        • #5
          I've had this photo for a long time but never posted...(I just gave it a quick edit, it's in rough shape). It's said to be of the 1915 Nationals All-Star Team and taken in the Los Angeles area. I'd bet that these teams toured for a few years with the same uniforms, so putting a specific date on them could be troublesome. Certainly looks like Evers in the front row on the right. Also note the matching Indian-print sweater hanging over the bench, same as the first posting.
          Cheers!
          ~B
          Say hello on Twitter @BSmile & Facebook "Baseball by BSmile"

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          • #6
            Bottom row: seated, Tilly walker, far right, bottom row, in sweaters, Amos Strunk, Wally Pipp. Next to Johnny Evers, Cozy Dolan. Back row:, 8th from the right, Jim "Hippo" Vaughn.

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            • #7
              Two photos of the barnstorming teams from November 1915 in Pendleton, Oregon. First photo is Amos Strunk and Johnny Evers.
              Attached Files

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              • #8
                In addition to Evers, I see Otto Miller, top row, first ballplayer; Jim "Hippo" Vaughn, top row, 7th from left (under the second "T" in ContinenTal); Amos Strunk sitting, second from right; Max Carey, middle row, far left next to Evers; Heine Groh sitting, third from left; Wally Schang, sitting, second from left, next to Groh; looks like George Mogridge, sitting, second from right. A bunch more look real familiar...if we could get a list of who was on this trip, I'm sure we could get a lot more names.

                Almost forgot: That's Jake Daubert seated, right in the middle, 6th from left; and Jack Coombs fifth from left, next to Daubert.

                It's a great picture...Thanks to Blanketboy for posting!
                Last edited by GaryL; 04-20-2012, 05:07 PM.

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                • #9
                  ca.1915-16 Barnstorming All-Star Teams
                  I thought the photo had enough historical significance to have some editing/cleaning done. Do guys like it? It's not perfect by any means (I only spent about 20 minutes on it)
                  Cheers! ~B
                  Last edited by BSmile; 04-20-2012, 05:57 PM.
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                  • #10
                    Oh yeah BSmile...looks great!

                    Thanks to everyone's effort, here's what we have so far:

                    1916 Barnstorming Trip Nationals and Americans (Civilians excluded):

                    Top Row, L-R: Otto Miller, Red Killefer, Lew McCarty (could also be Walter Holke), Pete Schneider?, Hippo Vaughn, Ray Morgan?, Unknown, Baby Doll Jacobson?, Unknown.

                    Middle Row, L-R: Max Carey, Johnny Evers, Cozy Dolan, Alex McCarthy?, Jack Coombs, Jake Daubert, Ben Dyer?, Dick Hoblitzel, George Mogridge?, Heine Wagner.

                    Front Row, L-R; Tilly Walker, Wally Schang, Heine Groh, Sherry Magee, Amos Strunk, Wally Pipp.


                    Another possibility: could be Welden Wyckoff, top, 3rd from right (two down from Hippo Vaughn).

                    If anyone has input on this beautiful photo, please jump in!

                    Can anyone come up with a list of names that were on this trip??
                    Last edited by Bill Burgess; 11-03-2013, 05:33 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Top row, 8th from right (above Evers) looks an awful lot like Pete Alexander.
                      Last edited by Bill Burgess; 10-04-2013, 08:49 AM.

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                      • #12
                        That's not Pete Alexander, but right of Groh is Sherry Magee.

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                        • #13
                          This has proven to be an interesting photo. The "S" "F" in the sign seems to indicate that this was taken at the Continental Hotel in San Fransisco. That would date the photo to Nov. 19-21, 1915, the scheduled dates for the tour to be in S.F.

                          Rosters were found, thanks to the help of some Pac.-NW experts. On a tour like this, players would drop off or be added as the tour progressed. Thus players listed may not be in the photo, and players not listed may be in the photo. That said, having the rosters did help. Here are the rosters at two points in time:

                          Oct. 17 from TSN:
                          AL: Klepfer, Ayers, Harper, James, Cady, Henry, Hoblitzell, Mullen, Shanks, Schang, Walker, Strunk, Roth, Pipp
                          NL: Alexander, Pfeffer, Vaughn, Coombs, Miller, McCarty, Daubert, Evers, Fisher, Groh, Carey, Killefer, Magee

                          Nov. 3 from photo of broadside poster:
                          AL: Klepfer, Ayers, Harper, James, Cady, Henry, Mullen, Shanks, Schang, Walker, Strunk, Roth, Pipp
                          NL: Pfeffer, Vaughn, Coombs, Miller, McCarty, Daubert, Evers, Fisher, Groh, Carey, Killefer, Magee

                          All players in uniform have been positively identified. I was able to ID one player in street clothes (Bill James). It seems likely that there are some other players in street clothes, but I could not positively ID any others. The enumeration below includes all persons in the photo:

                          ?* – ?* – ?* - ?* – Otto Miller – Red Killefer – Lew McCarty – Jeff Pfeffer – Bill James* - ?* – Hippo Vaughn –John Henry - Harry Harper – Ed Klepfer – Clarence Mitchell - ?* - ?* - ?*

                          Max Cary – Johnny Evers – Cozy Dolan – Bob Fisher - Jack Coombs – Jake Daubert – Hick Cady – Dick Hoblitzell – Braggo Roth – Howie Shanks

                          Tilly Walker – Wally Schang – Heinie Groh – Sherry Magee - ?* - ? – Amos Strunk – Wally Pipp

                          * wearing street clothes


                          Thanks to Ma.tt_Fu11ing for the Clarence Mitchell ID. He was not listed on the rosters we found. The comparison is shown below. If there is a question about any other IDs, I will post comparison head shots.
                          Attached Files
                          Last edited by bmarlowe; 12-08-2013, 11:21 AM.

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