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    1916 Barnstorming Trip Nationals and Americans (Civilians excluded):

    Top Row, L-R: Otto Miller, Red Killefer, Lew McCarty? / Walter Holke?, Pete Schneider?, Hippo Vaughn, Ray Morgan?, Welden Wyckoff?, Baby Doll Jacobson?, unidentified.

    Middle Row, L-R: Max Carey, Johnny Evers, Cozy Dolan, Alex McCarthy?, Jack Coombs, Jake Daubert, Ben Dyer?, Dick Hoblitzel, George Mogridge?, Heine Wagner.

    Bottom Row, L-R; Tilly Walker, Wally Schang, Heine Groh, Sherry Magee, Amos Strunk, Wally Pipp.


    Hoping for a positive ID of what appears to be a picture from the teens or 1920s - would like to know year, team name and ID of any players in the photo. Many thanks for your help!
    Last edited by Bill Burgess; 11-03-2013, 05:39 AM.

  • #2
    Nice Picture..I see Johnny Evers second player second row. I think its a photo of the Chicago Cubs and the Detroit Tigers 1907 or 1908. Also looks like George Mullin of the Detroit Tigers second player from the right sitting on the ground.

    Then again it looks like a Boston Braves uniform type that Evers is wearing around 1913.
    Last edited by Dto7; 04-19-2012, 03:38 PM.


    • #3
      I think I see Larry Lajoie in the back row towards the right. Is Hans Lobert next to Evers?
      Could this be the Addie Joss benefit game?
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      • #4
        I guess I was wrong on the year and the two clubs? In 1916 they did a 28 game barnstorming tour of the Northwest. Americans against the Nationals.

        Some of the players were Johnny Evers, Pete Alexander, Max Carey, Jack Daubert and Heinie Groh just to name a few..

        The photo could be from that barnstroming run.


        • #5
          I've had this photo for a long time but never posted...(I just gave it a quick edit, it's in rough shape). It's said to be of the 1915 Nationals All-Star Team and taken in the Los Angeles area. I'd bet that these teams toured for a few years with the same uniforms, so putting a specific date on them could be troublesome. Certainly looks like Evers in the front row on the right. Also note the matching Indian-print sweater hanging over the bench, same as the first posting.
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          • #6
            Bottom row: seated, Tilly walker, far right, bottom row, in sweaters, Amos Strunk, Wally Pipp. Next to Johnny Evers, Cozy Dolan. Back row:, 8th from the right, Jim "Hippo" Vaughn.


            • #7
              Two photos of the barnstorming teams from November 1915 in Pendleton, Oregon. First photo is Amos Strunk and Johnny Evers.
              Attached Files


              • #8
                In addition to Evers, I see Otto Miller, top row, first ballplayer; Jim "Hippo" Vaughn, top row, 7th from left (under the second "T" in ContinenTal); Amos Strunk sitting, second from right; Max Carey, middle row, far left next to Evers; Heine Groh sitting, third from left; Wally Schang, sitting, second from left, next to Groh; looks like George Mogridge, sitting, second from right. A bunch more look real familiar...if we could get a list of who was on this trip, I'm sure we could get a lot more names.

                Almost forgot: That's Jake Daubert seated, right in the middle, 6th from left; and Jack Coombs fifth from left, next to Daubert.

                It's a great picture...Thanks to Blanketboy for posting!
                Last edited by GaryL; 04-20-2012, 05:07 PM.


                • #9
                  Oh yeah BSmile...looks great!

                  Thanks to everyone's effort, here's what we have so far:

                  1916 Barnstorming Trip Nationals and Americans (Civilians excluded):

                  Top Row, L-R: Otto Miller, Red Killefer, Lew McCarty (could also be Walter Holke), Pete Schneider?, Hippo Vaughn, Ray Morgan?, Unknown, Baby Doll Jacobson?, Unknown.

                  Middle Row, L-R: Max Carey, Johnny Evers, Cozy Dolan, Alex McCarthy?, Jack Coombs, Jake Daubert, Ben Dyer?, Dick Hoblitzel, George Mogridge?, Heine Wagner.

                  Front Row, L-R; Tilly Walker, Wally Schang, Heine Groh, Sherry Magee, Amos Strunk, Wally Pipp.

                  Another possibility: could be Welden Wyckoff, top, 3rd from right (two down from Hippo Vaughn).

                  If anyone has input on this beautiful photo, please jump in!

                  Can anyone come up with a list of names that were on this trip??
                  Last edited by Bill Burgess; 11-03-2013, 05:33 AM.


                  • #10
                    Top row, 8th from right (above Evers) looks an awful lot like Pete Alexander.
                    Last edited by Bill Burgess; 10-04-2013, 08:49 AM.


                    • #11
                      That's not Pete Alexander, but right of Groh is Sherry Magee.


                      • #12
                        This has proven to be an interesting photo. The "S" "F" in the sign seems to indicate that this was taken at the Continental Hotel in San Fransisco. That would date the photo to Nov. 19-21, 1915, the scheduled dates for the tour to be in S.F.

                        Rosters were found, thanks to the help of some Pac.-NW experts. On a tour like this, players would drop off or be added as the tour progressed. Thus players listed may not be in the photo, and players not listed may be in the photo. That said, having the rosters did help. Here are the rosters at two points in time:

                        Oct. 17 from TSN:
                        AL: Klepfer, Ayers, Harper, James, Cady, Henry, Hoblitzell, Mullen, Shanks, Schang, Walker, Strunk, Roth, Pipp
                        NL: Alexander, Pfeffer, Vaughn, Coombs, Miller, McCarty, Daubert, Evers, Fisher, Groh, Carey, Killefer, Magee

                        Nov. 3 from photo of broadside poster:
                        AL: Klepfer, Ayers, Harper, James, Cady, Henry, Mullen, Shanks, Schang, Walker, Strunk, Roth, Pipp
                        NL: Pfeffer, Vaughn, Coombs, Miller, McCarty, Daubert, Evers, Fisher, Groh, Carey, Killefer, Magee

                        All players in uniform have been positively identified. I was able to ID one player in street clothes (Bill James). It seems likely that there are some other players in street clothes, but I could not positively ID any others. The enumeration below includes all persons in the photo:

                        ?* – ?* – ?* - ?* – Otto Miller – Red Killefer – Lew McCarty – Jeff Pfeffer – Bill James* - ?* – Hippo Vaughn –John Henry - Harry Harper – Ed Klepfer – Clarence Mitchell - ?* - ?* - ?*

                        Max Cary – Johnny Evers – Cozy Dolan – Bob Fisher - Jack Coombs – Jake Daubert – Hick Cady – Dick Hoblitzell – Braggo Roth – Howie Shanks

                        Tilly Walker – Wally Schang – Heinie Groh – Sherry Magee - ?* - ? – Amos Strunk – Wally Pipp

                        * wearing street clothes

                        Thanks to Ma.tt_Fu11ing for the Clarence Mitchell ID. He was not listed on the rosters we found. The comparison is shown below. If there is a question about any other IDs, I will post comparison head shots.
                        Attached Files
                        Last edited by bmarlowe; 12-08-2013, 11:21 AM.


                        • #13
                          Hey gents,
                          A few years ago I did an article on the tour's stop in Pendleton for the Oregon travel magazine 1859. Here it is if anyone's interested. And nice work on the IDs!

                          When warclubs were wielded right lustily by Major Leaguers in Pendleton

                          By Beau Eastes

                          For 1859

                          The Pendleton Round-Up Grounds has never lacked for star power or drama.

                          From John Spain’s controversial 1911 saddle bronc victory that inspired Ken Kesey’s last novel to Don Requa’s nearly four decades of dominance on Friday nights, the historic stadium in downtown Pendleton has witnessed more than 100 years of blood, sweat and tears from some of the top bronc riders, bulldoggers and prep football players to ever compete in Oregon.

                          It also played host to a pair of future Hall of Famers in 1915 during an only-in-Pendleton doubleheader that featured a “baby Round-Up” rodeo and an exhibition game between barnstorming Major League Baseball players.

                          On Nov. 13, exactly a month after the Boston Red Sox won the 1915 World Series, the Bancroft Tour rolled into Pendleton on a morning train from Baker. Named after organizer Fred Bancroft, a Cincinnati Reds executive and Civil War veteran - he started the war as an underaged Union drummer boy and ended it as a cavalryman - the group of American and National League all-stars were greeted at the train depot by “hundreds” according to The East Oregonian.

                          Baseball was a big deal in Pendleton, as the recent World Series competed with the ongoing war in Europe for A1 headlines in the daily paper. In fact, the minor league Pendleton Buckaroos won two pennants in three years in the Western Tri-State League - the league consisted of teams from Boise, Baker, La Grande, Walla Walla and Yakima - before it folded after the 1914 season.

                          Highlighted by aging star Johnny Evers of Tinkers-to-Evers-to-Chance fame and Max Carey, who would retire as the National League’s career steals leader, the Bancroft all-stars were taken by stagecoaches with much fanfare from the train station to the grand Pendleton Hotel to eat and change before the festivities started at the Round-Up Grounds.

                          Originally intended as a bit of a welcoming stunt for the visiting players, the “baby Round-Up” as the paper called it so mesmerized the ballplayers they refused to warm up until it was over.

                          “John Spain rode Angel, Benny Corbett rode Nut Cracker and there were several who didn’t ride very long,” the paper reported the following Monday, providing evidence that saddle bronc riders have long had a sense of humor about their jobs. “(The mini Round-Up) was not much for one who has seen a real Round-Up, but it certainly scored a home run with the ball boys.”

                          Led by Carey, Evers and left-handed pitcher Hippo Vaughn, a borderline Hall of Famer himself - Vaughn won 178 games and ended his big league career with a 2.48 ERA - the National League all-stars topped their American League rivals 7-3. In retrospect, the American League team was wildly outgunned compared to who was on the National League roster, with only Yankee first baseman Wally Pipp - yes, that Wally Pipp - providing any real star power for the younger league. Whether it was the demanding travel schedule - the teams had played 21 games in 19 cities over the previous 30 days - or maybe a late night in Baker, where their game had gotten snowed out the previous day, the play in Pendleton wasn’t particularly sharp. The American Leaguers made seven errors and played uninspiring ball, according to The East Oregonian.

                          “Harper (the AL pitcher) was not alone responsible for the defeat,” the paper reported. “His teammates made seven very ordinary errors behind him, the very kind Pilot Rock and Pendleton and Athena sometimes make, and one of the Americans pulled a bonehead by walking off his base just as sometimes happens in the brush around here.”

                          “The Nationals put up a very much superior game than their opponents,” the paper added, before writing one of the greatest descriptions of all-time for a team that had a solid but not spectacular day at the plate. “They gave Vaughn errorless support and wielded their warclubs right lustily in his behalf.”

                          After finishing up in just 80 minutes, the players packed up their warclubs and caught an evening train to Umatilla, where they then boarded the “Portland-Spokane flyer” to Seattle.

                          “Though the game was not excited or brilliant, the local fans were not sorry they attended,” The East Oregonian concluded. “They had an opportunity seeing some of the most famous players in the country in action and there were enough special features to make the contest worth the money.”


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