The Bitter Rivals Thread

[KenFougere]

I was amazed the Yanks won tonight 6-5 on only THREE hits!

I can't help wondering how much longer Jeter will remain at short. A-Rod can't continue covering (up for DJ) the entire left side of the infield . . . {It's not fair} -

[CuriousBoston]

Challenge....

Matt....you...you....come to Boston on the 9th, I have two tickets, one behind the other, you sit IN FRONT OF ME.

Pokey, good man, tied game. Geez, it sounds like Fenway; wonder how attendance tonight compares to "normal"?

Well, Matt? Matt the Mouth, or Matt the Man? Whoops, 6-4, Ortiz at bat... ummm...you were saying, Matt?

[KenFougere]

Re: Matt, you need some sun & so much more...

Originally posted by Mattingly Man, you guys keep talking about pitching. Well, where is it, outside of Schilling and sometimes Wake, but Widdle Pedro's absent.

You guys have to beat the winning teams, not just the losers. Proving once again that pitching on paper doesn't mean diddly unless you win, and your 1-5 has to be consistently good, not just one or two quality guys, followed by a few so-so performances.

- Where's our pitching? I'll tell you . . .

Red Sox pitching lead the American League in:

• Batting Ave. against
• On Base % against
• Slg % against
• OPS against
• Strikeouts
• WHIP
• Hits given up

Not to mention 2nd best ERA in AL . . .

:noidea - Let's see where the Yankees rate . . .

[ElHalo]

Well, overlooking Pedro's little... foible tonight, we've got:

AL rankings:

ERA: Sox 2nd, Yanks 5th
Saves: Sox 5th, Yanks 1st
WHIP: Sox 1st, Yanks 2nd
BAA: Sox 1st, Yanks 7th
OBP: Sox 1st, Yanks 2nd
SLG: Sox 1st, Yanks 7th
OPS: Sox 1st, Yanks 4th

And on the flip side:

BA: Sox 7th, Yanks 9th
OBP: Sox 2nd, Yanks 4th
SLG: Sox 4th, Yanks 3rd
OPS: Sox 4th, Yanks 2nd
H: Sox 2nd, Yanks 12th
BB: Sox 2nd, Yanks 1st
HR: Sox 4th, Yanks 1st
R: Sox 2nd, Yanks 1st
TB: Sox 2nd, Yanks 4th

And most important of all...

Standings: Sox 2nd, Yanks 1st



Pythagorean:

Yanks +3, Sox -1, largely because of:

1 run games:

Yanks 7-6, Sox 3-6

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by ElHalo
Well, overlooking Pedro's little... foible tonight, we've got:

AL rankings:

ERA: Sox 2nd, Yanks 5th
Saves: Sox 5th, Yanks 1st
WHIP: Sox 1st, Yanks 2nd
BAA: Sox 1st, Yanks 7th
OBP: Sox 1st, Yanks 2nd
SLG: Sox 1st, Yanks 7th
OPS: Sox 1st, Yanks 4th

And on the flip side:

BA: Sox 7th, Yanks 9th
OBP: Sox 2nd, Yanks 4th
SLG: Sox 4th, Yanks 3rd
OPS: Sox 4th, Yanks 2nd
H: Sox 2nd, Yanks 12th
BB: Sox 2nd, Yanks 1st
HR: Sox 4th, Yanks 1st
R: Sox 2nd, Yanks 1st
TB: Sox 2nd, Yanks 4th

And most important of all...

Standings: Sox 2nd, Yanks 1st



Pythagorean:

Yanks +3, Sox -1, largely because of:

1 run games:

Yanks 7-6, Sox 3-6

Keep in mind our offense has been without
our starting rightfielder, shortstop, right-handed DH, & of late our third-baseman.
Trot & Nomar will be back at 100% next week.
- Let's revisit these stats at the all-star break . . .

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by KenFougere
[B][SIZE=3][COLOR=red] - Where's our pitching? I'll tell you . . .

Red Sox pitching lead the American League in:

[snip]
:noidea - Let's see where the Yankees rate . . .

man, all you can do is bring up stats. The only WHIP you'll be worrying about tonight is how you got whipped. If it weren't for Pedro giving up *EIGHT* RBI in 6 innings, all but 1 to Vlad, you'd be cruising right now. $17.5m and that's how he does, after the offense bailed him out when Ortiz slammed against the M's?

Your numbers came against *LOSING* teams. The Yanks beat Anaheim 4 of 6. Stop worrying so much about the losing teams and beat up on Anaheim, the now *WINNING* Yanks and Texas sometime.

I think in 2001, the Boson pitch stats were awesome. How'd that season turn out. Try worrying about winning games sometime.

Oh, where's NY? right in front of ya, dude, that's where!

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by KenFougere

Keep in mind our offense has been without
our starting rightfielder, shortstop, right-handed DH, & of late our third-baseman.
Trot & Nomar will be back at 100% next week.
- Let's revisit these stats at the all-star break . . .

You are getting beaten up by a team that has more key injuries than anyone could imagine. Where's Salmon, Andersen, Glaus and many others? No excuses!

I'm tired of hearing excuses, so you'll just have to win or lose. The team that took great advantage of Pedro spanked you because they wanted to win, had *MORE* key players on the DL. Now you know what it's like to play (and hopefully lose to) a team which wins, despite *MORE* guys on the DL.

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by ElHalo
Pythagorean:

Yanks +3, Sox -1, largely because of:

1 run games:

Yanks 7-6, Sox 3-6

Don't expect Red Sox fans to consider this. They console each other by talking about consolation prizes. They want the triple crown, the Cy Young, the lowest team ERA, they glorify Pedro. What about winning the game?

Trust me, I'd rather win an 8-7 game today than lose a game 1-zip. Your ERA may be low in the latter game, you may show you squad something, but in the end, you've lost.

It's called the big picture. These folks need to know about this. This thing about lowest ERA, or Pokey's admittedly great "D" in charging the ball w/2 RISP, 2 outs, that's great and all, but you can't get swept against a winning team in a 2-gamer, then talk about how great your team is. You *MUST* win that game, and IMO, that was a *VERY* winnable game had Pedro not crumbled and Francona done a Bubba Gump keeping him in there so long.

Now, does anyone have or even need any stats re that Boston loss?

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by Mattingly
You are getting beaten up by a team that has more key injuries than anyone could imagine. Where's Salmon, Andersen, Glaus and many others? No excuses!

I'm tired of hearing excuses, so you'll just have to win or lose. The team that took great advantage of Pedro spanked you because they wanted to win, had *MORE* key players on the DL. Now you know what it's like to play (and hopefully lose to) a team which wins, despite *MORE* guys on the DL.

Why would they miss those guys tonight when Vlad. alone collected 9 RBI...

BTW, you've heard no excuses here. No excuses are needed . . . we've been in 1st most of the year.

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by Mattingly
Don't expect Red Sox fans to consider this. They console each other by talking about consolation prizes. They want the triple crown, the Cy Young, the lowest team ERA, they glorify Pedro. What about winning the game?

Trust me, I'd rather win an 8-7 game today than lose a game 1-zip. Your ERA may be low in the latter game, you may show you squad something, but in the end, you've lost.

It's called the big picture. These folks need to know about this. This thing about lowest ERA, or Pokey's admittedly great "D" in charging the ball w/2 RISP, 2 outs, that's great and all, but you can't get swept against a winning team in a 2-gamer, then talk about how great your team is. You *MUST* win that game, and IMO, that was a *VERY* winnable game had Pedro not crumbled and Francona done a Bubba Gump keeping him in there so long.

Now, does anyone have or even need any stats re that Boston loss?

:o

One game a season does not make...

But, I do agree that you certainly would know all about pitchers crumbling! -

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by KenFougere
Why would they miss those guys tonight when Vlad. alone collected 9 RBI...

BTW, you've heard no excuses here. No excuses are needed . . . we've been in 1st most of the year.

It could've been more had they been around. They way Pedro was coughing them up, even the Anaheim fans could've called for Pedro to be taken out of his misery. Unlike in Seattle, Ortiz couldn't save him that time!

You'd mentioned earlier that there were some injuries. IMO, that *IS* an excuse, and Boston fans have been making "injury" excuses for awhile now. Anaheim has more of a reason to make excuses, but don't. By this, talk of Nomah and Trot bieng out can't be used as an excuse, since you lost to a more injury-plague team than yourselves.

I won't brag about being 2 games ahead. When we were 1/2 a game ahead or behind, I didn't worry. Now to start cookin' w/gas!

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by KenFougere
:o

One game a season does not make...

But, I do agree that you certainly would know all about pitchers crumbling! -

Yeah, but after 2/3 of an inning, Torre had seen enough. He brought in Tanyon Sturtze, who quickly doused the flames on a *VERY* powerful Baltimore team which is chock full of heavy hitters, such as Miggy, Raffy and Mora.

It's not the meltdown, it's what's done about it. I have no idea why Terry allowed Pedro to blow in the wind out there, first in facing Vladi again, then only taking him out an inning later w/2 leadoff singles.

Grady II?

[Mattingly]

Sorry to be so harsh and "honest", but like I've said to Boston fans before, injuries are no excuse, and you must beat the winning teams, and Anaheim is a very good and solid example of this.

While stats (offensive, defensive, pitching) may be nice and all, you must win the game! The final score is the only stat I care about at the end of the ballgame, presuming one's end goal is to outscore the opponent by at least one (1) run.

[ElHalo]

I do have to say, though... Contreras was my dark horse pick to win the AL Cy Young award, and he's making a mockery out of me. I don't understand how a pitcher with such great stuff can pitch so badly... he must have the mental makeup of Weaver-lite.

[BC498]

Originally posted by ElHalo
I do have to say, though... Contreras was my dark horse pick to win the AL Cy Young award, and he's making a mockery out of me. I don't understand how a pitcher with such great stuff can pitch so badly... he must have the mental makeup of Weaver-lite.

You're not the only one . It is funny that you should mention Weaver as I just picked him up off of waivers in my fantasy league (dropping Jose).


" 'When I'm in a jam I just try to concentrate on the hitter, not on the men I have on base.' Vazquez said. "

It is my sincere hope that Contreras tapes that quote over his bed.