The Bitter Rivals Thread

[nolanryan5714]

The Cards aren't exactly as hot as they've been all year and nobody knows Roger Clemens more than the Red Sox or the Yankees.

2 things to note:

1. Clemens isn't the only pitcher that we have. We have Roy O, and despite what some small-minded people think here, we have Brandon Backe. He's a gamer, and he's VERY hot.

2. Clemens knows those teams as well. As for that comment, I'd simply reply with one word - "likewise."

(Oh yeah, we've got 4 big killer B's on a rampage. I'd watch out for that!)

[BoSox Rule]

2 things to note:

1. Clemens isn't the only pitcher that we have. We have Roy O, and despite what some small-minded people think here, we have Brandon Backe. He's a gamer, and he's VERY hot.

2. Clemens knows those teams as well. As for that comment, I'd simply reply with one word - "likewise."

(Oh yeah, we've got 4 big killer B's on a rampage. I'd watch out for that!)

Other than the Tigers, Roger Clemens is least successfull against the Red Sox. (vs. teams he has at least 100 IP againts.)

Ortiz, Manny, Damon, Millar, Varitek> Killer B's

[nolanryan5714]

Other than the Tigers, Roger Clemens is least successfull against the Red Sox. (vs. teams he has at least 100 IP againts.)

I'm not trying to jinx my team here, but this entire season has been about defying the odds...and I wouldn't bet against them individually nor collectively now!

Ortiz, Manny, Damon, Millar, Varitek> Killer B's

Bring it, I say...we'll only know once we get there.

As I said above, what a series it will be. The two hottest teams in baseball after August 15 in the WS.

It'll be incredible.

[Mattingly]

By the way. What does this whole "I would call them daddy" thing mean?

My English is not good enough to understand that kind of "slang".

Pedro had said after he'd lost to the Yanks that he can't beat them, so he might as well call them daddy.

I don't have a link.

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

Pedro had said after he'd lost to the Yanks that he can't beat them, so he might as well call them daddy.

I don't have a link.

I know that he said it after he lost to the Yankees.

But what is the meaning of this sentence: I call them daddy?

[Mattingly]

But what is the meaning of this sentence: I call them daddy?

The question "Who's your daddy?", when used in sports, means that someone pretty much "owns you", so to speak. Just like Nixon and Piazza had Clemens' number, per their being fastball hitters and him being a fastball thrower, Pedro's saying that he's given his all and can't beat the Yanks.

It's the equivalent of an animal showing its white tail or its soft underbelly. It means pretty much, "I give up".

Capice?

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

The question "Who's your daddy?", when used in sports, means that someone pretty much "owns you", so to speak. Just like Nixon and Piazza had Clemens' number, per their being fastball hitters and him being a fastball thrower, Pedro's saying that he's given his all and can't beat the Yanks.

It's the equivalent of an animal showing its white tail or its soft underbelly. It means pretty much, "I give up".

Capice?

Si signor!

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

No comment!

[MetsFan11368]

Hey...isn't that Curt Shelling?

[nolanryan5714]

Hey...isn't that Curt Shelling?

I'm not quite sure either.

[Mattingly]

From what I understand, Curt Schilling, who posts on both a Red Sox board and a Yankee board under the moniker "Gehrig38", committed the most cardinal of baseball pitching sins: he talked smack about the other team.

I remember that either David Cone or Doc Gooden did this some 10 or 14 years ago when the Mets were in some playoffs and one had an "as told by [player]" column for the NY Daily News, in which he'd seemingly belitted his opponents. The column was immediately pulled the next day, per the pitcher getting lit up.

I have no idea what kind of reaction he'd expected, but here's the thing: I've heard that he'd started some Game Thread on SoSH, a Red Sox board, as he'd reportedly done in the ALDS. Between this and calling out Yankee fans like this, it's like how John Rocker had shouted down to Mets fans, "I've just struck out your best hitter", with regards to fanning Piazza to end the inning.

Instead of toadying up to the crowd wishing to hear lots of player bravado, why don't people just look to get what the real prize should be? You know what that would be? *WINNING*, that's what it should be. Isn't that what this is all about? Or are people more enamored w/the "extras" re making your opponent look silly, than anything else?

Instead of showing up teams or fans of those teams, had he just played a good game, he wouldn't have had a statement to be plastered to the walls of the lockerroom. Mike Mussina's pre-game radio statements were that he'd do his best to keep the game close, and that with a pitcher of Schilling's capabilities, that's the best he could do. Coming from our ace, I'd say that's a great statement.

Had Curt wanted to quiet the Yankee crowd, all he had to do was what I and many other Yankee fans had fully expected from him: 7 innings of 1- or 2-run ball. That would surely have taken the home crowd out of the game! If you look at the Boston 7th and 8th innings, that would've won the game easily. It's only because of our big early lead, plus some clutch hitting by Bernie and Mo's stellar pitching, did we survive. Subtract 6 of the 8 runs the Yanks scored in the first 7 innings, and instead of being up 10-7, we're down 7-4 and Foulke works the bottom of the 9th. Not a pleasant possibility.

I have no problem with a player pleasing his fans. However, doing this to excess, as if to purposely embarrass a team's ever-faithful fans, isn't anything I'd consider good karma. Had Moose ever said this about the Boston crowd, I'd be unmercifully upset with him, especially if that put the game at risk, seeing how players would want to defend their fans' honor.

I only wish that Curt and the other ALCS pitchers can zip it this week. The cat's already out of the bag and is harder to put back in, once out. Let's just have a great series, preferably one w/o unnecessary players stroking fan or fan site bravado!

BTW, one more thing, Curt: there's no such thing as 55,000 New Yorkers at a Yankee-Red Sox game. About 10,000 of them are Red Sox fans, and many of the Yankee fans don't even live in New York.

[BoSox Rule]

He was joking around.

CURT SCHILLING: In 1993 we went to Atlanta and I can remember, I was pitching the next day and I was talking to Terry Mulholland, and he said the awesome thing about being a starting pitching is you have the ability to make 55,000 people shut up when you're on the road. I'm not sure I can think of any scenario more enjoyable than making 55,000 people from New York shut up. (Laughter.) But that's a challenge in this ballpark. The adrenaline, they are going to bring the adrenaline to this park, there's no question.

[Mattingly]

He was joking around.

CURT SCHILLING: In 1993 we went to Atlanta and I can remember, I was pitching the next day and I was talking to Terry Mulholland, and he said the awesome thing about being a starting pitching is you have the ability to make 55,000 people shut up when you're on the road. I'm not sure I can think of any scenario more enjoyable than making 55,000 people from New York shut up. (Laughter.) But that's a challenge in this ballpark. The adrenaline, they are going to bring the adrenaline to this park, there's no question.

Not something you'd like to joke around with in the ALCS against your toughest opponent.

He was brought in to take down the Yankees. He'd kept the Yanks to 2 runs over about 7 innings in Game 7 of the 2001 WS, a game won by Randy Johnson. That's what he's there to do. Why would he jeapordize this possibility by firing up a team?

About 3 seasons ago, some rookie from Oakland, I believe, said about the Yankees, "They've had a great run". Jeter took offense to that, since the Yanks were playing poorly, had lost 2 straight, and that fired them up to win 3 to take the series. Reason? Because "They've *HAD* a great run" indicates that it would be over starting now. Surely disrespect coming from a young kid.

Moral of the story: You *NEVER* give your opponents anything to fire them up. It's like saying, "I've owned Ortiz, and I'll get him to ground into a double play if the game's on the line." What's to stop Ortiz from then smacking one into the next state? Joking or no joking, certain thing are simply never done. That this is the specific opponent he was brought on to take down, but he makes a mental error like this, I can't consider a joke. I'd consider it a lapse in judgment. That is simply *NEVER* done, in my book. *NEVER EVER EVER!*

[bigtime39]

I think the real moral of this story is "don't exude confidence when you're about to pitch against a bunch of all-star mercinaries and you've got an effin TORN TENDON IN YOUR ANKLE!" Yeesh!

[SoxSon]

Mattingly--
I'm sure Yankees players were hyped up to win, but clearly, the results last night were due to his torn right tendon. I'm sure you don't believe that they just "got to him," do you? I'd be surprised.
I agree with you about the comments...I wish everyone, players and fans, would just relax a little. That being said, here goes:

About the "who's your daddy?" line, which has certainly seen a lot of ink: It's known as self- deprecation, and I feel pretty sure that Pedro is having a good laugh at everyone taking it seriously. I'm not saying he hasn't struggled, but I think (and this is me showing a little team bias here)...I think that one of NY's biggest issues with Pedro (and he's really the only one who gets that spotlight) is that he generally demonstrates a conceit and sense of entitlement that NY feels is its own. That's why, I think, NY has gotten SO overly excited about his recent self-deprecation. It's just talk, guys...when I make a self-deprecating joke to my students in class, there's always a couple students who think I just "dissed" myself. I usually feel sad about those two.

Ok, just getting my say, that's all.