The Bitter Rivals Thread

[YankeeMan]

Originally posted by KenFougere
It'd be nice to enjoy a full season for a change!

BoSox-to-Yankee Translation: "end of September/early October."

Every Yankee fan thinks the season ends in late October for some reason?

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by YankeeMan
BoSox-to-Yankee Translation: "end of September/early October."

Every Yankee fan thinks the season ends in late October for some reason?

That's because they don't know enough to set their clocks back in October...

[RedSoxFanAtic]

ok - I'm here!

Hi Guys,
I've been posting some in the redsox forum, but everyone keeps telling me I should come to this thread. well, it took me about a week to read all the previous posts!
I'm a serious die-hard sox fan - since '67. I have suffered through all the tormenting losses through the years. The 7 game series loss to gibson and the cards in 67. Lonborg tearing up his knee that offseason skiing. Tony C's beaning. Trading sparky lyle for danny cater. (I still can't believe that one - haywood sullivan was soooooo petty and stupid - once he didn't like someone he just gave them away to get them out of town - dumb. Of course, sparky had like a gazillion saves for the yanks after that and cater hit like .167 or something. aparicio rounding 3rd in '71(?) with the pennant winning run and SLIPPING AND FALLING! the fisk-munson brawls and nettles & rivers attacking and injuring Bill Lee. I still remember the game with the first designated hitters - orlando cepeda & ron blomberg at fenway. I think blomberg did really well that year, at least at the beginning. 1975 and lynn & rice, and then rice gets his wrist broken and can't play in the playoffs, and we lose in 7 in that incredible series with the reds with the famous fisk shot in extras, 1978 and dent's homer and pinella's stab. I still blame bob stanley for letting them ADD to the lead after the dent hr. when we came back, we overcame the dent hr, but we couldn't overcome stanley's failures. that gossage-yaz confrontation with the whole season at stake was spine-tingling awesome stuff, and it was SOOOOO dissapointing when he popped up. 1986, man that was just a surreal total alfred hitchcock NIGHTMARE !!! I mean, even to this day, when I watch it, it's just insane! The thing is, not only were we 1 strike away, but we had a 2 RUN LEAD AND THERE WAS NOBODY ON BASE!!! think about that that means, in order to lose, 3 MEN HAD TO GET ON BASE AND SCORE BEFORE MAKING A SINGLE OUT!!!! Just totally sickening! (but I'm not bitter) By the way, I blame bob stanley for this as well. Not gedman. not buckner. not john mcnamara. stanley blew up and couldn't get a single out. at any point. he only needed one. he was the biggest choker I ever saw. watch the game again sometime from 1978 and from 1986. tell me if stanley didn't blow it both times. you'll see what I mean.
But the biggest frustration through the years and the real reason (not the curse) for all the failure, is the stupidity of the redsox management. it's pretty hopeless when year after year, the mgt of your team can't figure out what it's doing wrong and fix it. Tom Yawkey wanted to win badly and spent billions trying. but he never went out and put the same effort into having a complete pitching staff as he did in filling his lineups with longball hitters. then we had jean yawkey, and then the John harrington-dan duquette fiasco. and way back before yawkey, we had harry frazee and a line of incompitents giving away the farm to the yanks continuously. obviously those sales of all out great players for years still have sox fans very bitter and has fed the emotion of this rivalry. we gave you babe freakin ruth, and that kills us, but what's worse, we were the championship dynasty before that, winning more than any other team, and we didn't just give you ruth, we gave you like 20 great players back then including more than a couple hall-of-famers. we've always had some great ballplayers as anyone can attest, but without brains at the top and a total committment to winning, well, you're gonna be a runner-up. But that leads to my biggest point - you yankee fans have come to expect the sox brass to be boneheads, and thus the sox teams to be incomplete, fatally flawed teams, that in the end, when you combine all the built up pressure to win, won't be able to get it done. But I think everyone needs to take serious notice of a very important fact. for the first time since BEFORE WE SOLD BABE RUTH, the boston redsox are finally owned and operated by people with brains, savvy, purpose and committment. the ownership is intelligent, the general manager knows what he's doing and the sox are being rebuilt in a way that they havn't been since the glory years of the early 20th century. They have already secured the following players at reasonable prices: Kevin Millar, Todd Walker, Bill Mueller, Johnny Damon, David Ortiz, Gabe Kapler, Byung-Hyun Kim, Mike Timlin, Alan Embree, Brandon Lyon, Todd Jones. Plus they had a great draft - best in years and years - by drafting college players - and they've signed them all already - that is NOT the normal redsox MO. The worm has turned my friends. The status quo will be no more. The RedSox are FINALLY changing their ways. And they are VERY determined to both, beat the damn yankees, and finally win the world championship. Obviously, yankee fans knee-jerk reaction to this is to laugh and joke, but it is no joke. The redsox are finally for real. and they will not stop after they do finally win it all. they are going to be perenially threats to win it all going forward. Yankees - you are not alone anymore. You've got unexpected company, and they're pissed off! and all I can say is, after all these DECADES of frustration and bitterness, it is gonna be VERY SWEET to watch. very sweet indeed.

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by KenFougere
That's because they don't know enough to set their clocks back in October...

That's because we look forward to October. BTW, did I mention who jumps forward in spring, but falls back in October?

Gee, I wonder how the fall will be this time?

*runs & hides*

[KenFougere]

Re: Ok - I'm here!

Originally posted by RedSoxFanAtic
Hi Guys,
I've been posting some in the Red Sox forum, but everyone keeps telling me I should come to this thread. well, it took me about a week to read all the previous posts!
I'm a serious die-hard sox fan - since '67. ...The Boston Red Sox are finally owned and operated by people with brains, savvy, purpose and committment. the ownership is intelligent, the general manager knows what he's doing and the sox are being rebuilt in a way that they havn't been since the glory years of the early 20th century. They have already secured the following players at reasonable prices: Kevin Millar, Todd Walker, Bill Mueller, Johnny Damon, David Ortiz, Gabe Kapler, Byung-Hyun Kim, Mike Timlin, Alan Embree, Brandon Lyon, Todd Jones. Plus they had a great draft - best in years and years - by drafting college players - and they've signed them all already - that is NOT the normal Red Sox MO. The worm has turned my friends. The status quo will be no more. The Red Sox are FINALLY changing their ways. And they are VERY determined to both, beat the damn yankees, and finally win the world championship. Obviously, yankee fans knee-jerk reaction to this is to laugh and joke, but it is no joke. The Red Sox are finally for real. and they will not stop after they do finally win it all. they are going to be perenially threats to win it all going forward. Yankees - you are not alone anymore. You've got unexpected company, and they're pissed off! and all I can say is, after all these DECADES of frustration and bitterness, it is gonna be VERY SWEET to watch. very sweet indeed.

I think I've found my 'clean-up' hitter...

I'm looking forward to you meeting the YankeeFan's in this thread . . .

[Mattingly]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Thru July 12th Completed Games

Originally posted by KenFougere

In other words:

• We're not going away
  
• If we were any closer to you...
  we'd be in back of you...{Groucho Marx}
  
• Your shadow
  
• White on rice
  
• A PEST

____________

Oh, so you're following us, aren't you? Well now, you technically are behind us, but we'll have to see how long that lasts.

I'll admit your team does look very strong, so it won't be a walk in the park. It'll take a combo of consistently good pitching, defense and patient hitting from both teams to decide a winner.

GO TORONTO!

[KenFougere]

Witty...

Originally posted by Mattingly
That's because we look forward to October. BTW, did I mention who jumps forward in spring, but falls back in October?
*runs & hides*

That's a good one...I enjoyed it! _

What's *runs & hides* all about?

[Mattingly]

Re: Witty...

Originally posted by KenFougere
That's a good one...I enjoyed it! _

What's *runs & hides* all about?

Yeah, just a little Yankee humor for ya.

*Runs & hides* means that after having slung mud, you duck. It's like saying "grinning, running & ducking".

When someone times the *text* thing, that indicates an action on their part, such as:

*slaps hand on head in disgust*

Capice?

[KenFougere]

Re: Re: Witty...

Originally posted by Mattingly
Yeah, just a little Yankee humor for ya.

*Runs & hides* means that after having slung mud, you duck. It's like saying "grinning, running & ducking".

When someone times the *text* thing, that indicates an action on their part, such as:

*slaps hand on head in disgust*

Capice?

"I see", {said the blind man, as he walked off the cliff.}

[Mattingly]

Re: Re: Re: Witty...

Originally posted by KenFougere
"I see", {said the blind man, as he walked off the cliff.}

Cool, Ken.

*wink, wink*

[Mattingly]

Re: Re: Ok - I'm here!

Originally posted by KenFougere

I think I've found my 'clean-up' hitter...

I'm looking forward to you meeting the YankeeFan's in this thread . . .

Welcome aboard, Mr Ramirez. Don't forget to say hello to all the locals here on both sides of the fence.

Y'all come back now, here?

[RedSoxFanAtic]

I accept my new role!

cleanup hitter huh?
I can do that . Just be sure the table setters can get on base for me!

hello to all the locals from both sides of the fence. I hope to enjoy interesting discussion and playful barbs during this exciting pennant race. it looks like it's gonna be a good one. I hope anyways.
I think the sox are still rebuilding in many ways, but maybe they can catch lightning in a bottle and pull of an earlier than expected miracle ala the patriots!

I see the sox as being greatly improved in 3 places - the lineup, the bullpen, and the bench. But I think they are still not there yet with their starting rotation. as of right now, I think it's just not strong enough. I'm hoping theo can land us a top-notch starter in the next few weeks, but I know it may not happen to my satisfaction. Right now, I think Sidney Ponson would probably make me happier than just about anyone this side of Javier Vazquez.

The improvement of the bullpen has been stunning. Look as this list and tell me it doesn't look waaay batter than a few weeks ago:
Kim
Timlin
Embree
Fossum
Lyon
Jones
Fox
the only one I lack confidence in right now is Fox. I know he's been pitching better lately, but I still think he lacks poise out there and will choke under pressure - until proven otherwise. I hope I'm wrong. But the rest of that list - the other SIX names, are all doing GREAT right now, and with Kim at the back end, I just think it's a dramatically improved pen that will do very well the rest of the year. but the starters....
we need a solid, talented, young pitcher who can be our number 2 or 3 guy. I like Wakefield as a number 4, and I don't mind Burkett or Mendoza as a number 5, but I'm not real confident about either. but if we had:
Martinez
Ponson
Lowe
for a big three - now your talking.
with the hitting we have, and the pen we have, this team would then become a real threat.
Odalis Perez would be a good one too, but Ponson is my first choice. (you listening Theo??)
and I'd much rather trade some prospects than a Damon or a Nixon and I think Ponson could be had for Prospects, but I think the dodgers would want a major league hitter.
You watch though, over the next few years, theo will completely rebuild this roster.
it will, for the first time in about 85 years, be built correctly - with all the needed ingredients. stay tuned.

[Mattingly]

Fanatic/Manny, from the other side of the fence (aka, "The Dark Side"), I welcome you down the long haul. I'm glad you've accepted both your role as BoSox' freshly minted Cleanup Hitter, but have welcomed everyone on both sides of the fence.

I like your dedication and passion towards your team, and am particularly pleased that you're be hear to join us in our unusual brand of playful banter at each other's expense.

In addition to Ken, of the multi-colored (usually red and blue), extra-large and boldfaced/italicized text, some of your teammates would be Biggerin and VTSoxFan, both of whom also enthusiastically support their team, like yourself, while YankeeMan and BC498 would be my teammates, who love their team just like I do.

Enjoy the thread, and don't forget to keep track of all scores and standings, then throw a few zingers our way, and duck a little when we return the playful fire, depending upon who's won or lost!!!

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by Mattingly
Ken, of the multi-colored (usually red and blue), extra-large and boldfaced/italicized text

That's just not true.

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by KenFougere
That's just not true.

Ken says one thing, but his sig and other posts say otherwise.