The Bitter Rivals Thread

[KenFougere]

Re: Re: Convenient Rainout

Originally posted by Mattingly

Fri, 7/25: Mussina v Martinez
Sat, 7/26: Weaver v Burkett
Sun, 7/27: Pettitte v Lowe

We're getting Weaver on the 26th? You're not just saying that to make my day, are you? _ _ _

[Biggerin]

I think I've heard this from Boston fans before. I think you may need to check with some of the local news sites or someone living here, since it was *pouring* down here, and I mean *hard*.

like i said earlier, but it prolly got lost, I think he was joking.

I was watching when he said that. He was just trying to get the fans riled up a bit, I seriously doubt he actually meant it.

[Biggerin]

from redsox.com:

"Weekend matchups: With the Yankees-Blue Jays game rained out Tuesday night at Yankee Stadium, there will be no Pedro Martinez-Mike Mussina rematch Friday night at Fenway Park.

Instead, the Yankees will go with David Wells Friday, Mussina on Saturday and Jeff Weaver in the Sunday finale. The Sox will counter with Martinez, John Burkett and Derek Lowe. "

Dunno who's right, but those are the people I heard. looks like:

yankpitcher/soxpitcher (favorite to get win)
__________________________________________
Wells/Pedro (pedro)
Mussina/Burkett (red sox bullpen :P)
Weaver/Lowe (Lowe)

I'm feeling good about our chances here

[drillerman]

go cards!

[KenFougere]

Originally posted by Biggerin
from redsox.com:

"Weekend matchups: With the Yankees-Blue Jays game rained out Tuesday night at Yankee Stadium, there will be no Pedro Martinez-Mike Mussina rematch Friday night at Fenway Park.

Instead, the Yankees will go with David Wells Friday, Mussina on Saturday and Jeff Weaver in the Sunday finale. The Sox will counter with Martinez, John Burkett and Derek Lowe. "

Dunno who's right, but those are the people I heard. looks like:

yankpitcher/soxpitcher (favorite to get win)
__________________________________________
Wells/Pedro (pedro)
Mussina/Burkett (red sox bullpen :P)
Weaver/Lowe (Lowe)

I'm feeling good about our chances here

Burkett still scares me. I know his record looks good but... I'm sure you know exactly what I mean. ...

[Mattingly]

Biggerin, I see you guys have gone bargain hunting. It's productivity like that which we could use. However, some of the positions we already have filled. While the original question (which you'd quoted) was about any possible inaccuracies in which ESPN had quoted in Boston's payroll (such as full salaries of players you're only partially responsible for financially), I'll go with the flow.

Now, Lyon used to be your effective "closer" even when the "committee" thing was in use. I've never compared, but why would he be less useful than Sauerbeck?

Millar plays 1B, but does have an almost .300 BA, and is almost .900 OPS. We obviously couldn't use him, but then again, had Thome signed on with you, then you'd be rooting (and paying dearly) otherwise.

OK, now Mueller (names too similar) seems better offensively. I'm curious why you're saying Millar at 1B is the reason the BoSox offense is stronger, while Mueller at 3B has a higher BA and OPS. Does Mueller get more clutch hits? His order in the lineup? Anyway, if you'd consider taking Ventura, we'll throw in Todd Zeile and pay his salary, plus shipping costs. I'll even pack his bags personally.

For Weaver, it's a risk, since last time, he didn't bring his good stuff. The man's got no curve, as it's a flat and slow meatball without movement. If he can stick to the fastball, he may be more effective. He's paid $4m this season, which jumps to $6m in 2004, and $9m in 2005, so he'd better come up big and stop overthinking.

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by Biggerin
like i said earlier, but it prolly got lost, I think he was joking.

I was watching when he said that. He was just trying to get the fans riled up a bit, I seriously doubt he actually meant it.

Probably my overreaction. Like one of those "what the heck is he talking about" things that just get typed out. No biggie.

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by Biggerin
yankpitcher/soxpitcher (favorite to get win)
__________________________________________
Wells/Pedro (pedro)
Mussina/Burkett (red sox bullpen :P)
Weaver/Lowe (Lowe)

I'm feeling good about our chances here

Someone with sanity has *got* to get Weaver and Burkett together. Remember when El Duque was coming off the DL, and so was Pedro, so they faced each other? Same here.

If Boomer starts, he'd *really* need to be on his game, since giving up 2 runs over 7 innings could still be fatal. Now if the Yanks start taking lots of pitches, that could help, but I wasn't expecting this much.

Mussina should be on his game, since he did nicely the last time. He almost had a perfecto at Fenway (would've made Coney the only pitcher on both sides of a perfecto), so I think he'll do well. At least put him against Lowe.

Weaver against Burkett, I can deal with. My Maalox for your Alka-Seltzer sounds OK.

[Mattingly]

Re: Re: Re: Convenient Rainout

Originally posted by KenFougere
We're getting Weaver on the 26th? You're not just saying that to make my day, are you? _ _ _

Not really. Just copied from sportsline.com. Either case, I don't believe anything until Thursday when both managers are asked who's pitching. Someone could be given 3 days' rest, someone else may be held back a game. Who knows?

[J W]

Hi guys! We just flew in from Camden to get our pride hurt! Would you mind if we won a couple games while we're here?

[Mattingly]

Originally posted by J W
Hi guys! We just flew in from Camden to get our pride hurt! Would you mind if we won a couple games while we're here?

Hope not. You've already had your winning session with Toronto, Anaheim, Seattle and Texas. I say that's enough.

I hope that you guys' hot streak is over.

[Biggerin]

I say millar because of his clubhouse personality, rather than his actual stats. I feel he's a major reason that people like mueller and nixon and the rest of the team are hitting so well. He's kind of the 2003 version of carlos baerga.

He's out there with a great attitude every day, loosening up the players. This is also likely why they've been so resiliant all season long. He won't let them give up.

Anyway, I'd rather see lowe go vs mussina and burkett go vs weaver myself. The matches are more even, but I still think the sox would have the advantage (why waste lowe on weaver?) Plus, even if burkett beats mussina, he still won't get any respect for it. He's been like 6-1 over his last few decisions, but still everyone (including myself) is afraid of when he starts.

[drillerman]

NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
the strangers are on tv
must sheild eyes
must fight

[Biggerin]

Slow and Steady Wins the Race!

Please ignore my lack of "leet skeelz" in the form of drawin a graph, but here's a graph of the games both the sox and the yankees have won so far this season. the lines are kind of each team's pace, based on peaks and valleys and stuff. (been a while since I've been in any stat classes, so I forget the word I'm thinking of)

Of course, the lines are just visual atm, it's not mathematically accurate, but I can tell by looking at it, that the end result for the lines would be about right (just not necessarily before 162 games, but highly likely)



This one is just my guess on what's going to happen:



based on the dots for the yankees, they're due for another drop-off, so I calculated them into the graph on my projection.

the line on the original graph for the yankees assumes two peaks and one valley, which is why that one projects a higher end result. I feel that another valley is on the way, which lowers the end result by a few games. I figured in three peaks and two valleys for the yankees knowing thir penchant for kicking it into gear near the end of the season (otherwise, i woulda had you mid-valley at the end of the year) This also takes into account both of our august scheduals, which are relatively tough.

you'll notice that the sox have been pretty consistant. When counting the games up, in groups of 9, the sox had 5 for 9 almost every time, with the occasional 8 for 9 and 3 for 9. the yankees had a lot of 7 for 9's and 3 for 9's, rarely anything in between.

[KenFougere]

Re: Slow and Steady Wins the Race!

Originally posted by Biggerin
Please ignore my lack of "leet skeelz" in the form of drawin a graph, but here's a graph of the games both the sox and the yankees have won so far this season. the lines are kind of each team's pace, based on peaks and valleys and stuff. (been a while since I've been in any stat classes, so I forget the word I'm thinking of)

Of course, the lines are just visual atm, it's not mathematically accurate, but I can tell by looking at it, that the end result for the lines would be about right (just not necessarily before 162 games, but highly likely)



This one is just my guess on what's going to happen:



based on the dots for the yankees, they're due for another drop-off, so I calculated them into the graph on my projection.

the line on the original graph for the yankees assumes two peaks and one valley, which is why that one projects a higher end result. I feel that another valley is on the way, which lowers the end result by a few games. I figured in three peaks and two valleys for the yankees knowing thir penchant for kicking it into gear near the end of the season (otherwise, i woulda had you mid-valley at the end of the year) This also takes into account both of our august scheduals, which are relatively tough.

you'll notice that the sox have been pretty consistant. When counting the games up, in groups of 9, the sox had 5 for 9 almost every time, with the occasional 8 for 9 and 3 for 9. the yankees had a lot of 7 for 9's and 3 for 9's, rarely anything in between.

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Nice job, biggerin. The graphs were great.
I just hope you're as good at telling the future as you are with graphs . . . [/COLOR][/SIZE][/I][/B] ;) . . .  :rolleyes: