The Bitter Rivals Thread

[SDL]

So now you can see that this rivalry is nothing but air. When you see Red Sox players hug Yankee players before the game, you may wonder how they look at it.

At least it gives the media something to bring home the bread. And the fans will buy it, unfortunately.

Just my :twocents:

I doubt former Ajax & Feyenoord voetbal players are that chummy...

[Williamsburg2599]

So now you can see that this rivalry is nothing but air. When you see Red Sox players hug Yankee players before the game, you may wonder how they look at it.

At least it gives the media something to bring home the bread. And the fans will buy it, unfortunately.

Just my :twocents:

Maybe not, when Schil's no-no was broken up, the Yankee's clubhouse errupted in chears:

No Moose Call to Schilling on the Near Miss

Until Boston’s Curt Schilling lost a no-hitter Thursday with two outs in the ninth inning at Oakland, the Yankees’ Mike Mussina had the dubious distinction of being the last pitcher to come so close to a no-hitter without getting it.
The Yankees watched the end of Schilling’s game in the clubhouse Thursday afternoon. When Shannon Stewart broke up the no-hitter, the room erupted in cheers, players bursting from their seats and shouting.
After the Yankees’ 10-3 victory over the White Sox, I kidded with Mussina and asked if he’d send a telegram to Schilling. Mussina, whose perfect game was ruined by Carl Everett on Sept. 2, 2001, sneered. “What?” he cried. “He didn’t get to one strike away!” Then a few of the writers suggested Mussina post on Schilling’s blog. He smiled, I think.
Mussina was not very happy to be removed after 6-plus innings and just 79 pitches, and he was not afraid to say it after the game. But he also praised Manager Joe Torre, in general, for winning 2,000 games as a manager, a feat achived by only nine others: Connie Mack, John McGraw, Tony La Russa, Bobby Cox, Sparky Anderson, Bucky Harris, Joe McCarthy, Walter Alston and Leo Durocher. Good company.
“I thank the Steinbrenner family for allowing me to do this,” Torre said. “It’s been a great ride. The players have been the best part of it.”

[Mattingly]

So now you can see that this rivalry is nothing but air. When you see Red Sox players hug Yankee players before the game, you may wonder how they look at it.

At least it gives the media something to bring home the bread. And the fans will buy it, unfortunately.

Just my :twocents:

Someone gave me this link about Nettles. The last two paragraphs say a lot:

http://www.funtrivia.com/en/subtopics/Graig-Nettles-126741.html

Nettles was never known to back away from a fight on the field. What Boston player did he injure during a 1976 brawl, ruining the Red Sox' chances at repeating as American League champs?

Bill Lee. It happened on May 20, 1976, and started when Yankee Lou Piniella got into a fight at home plate with Boston catcher Carlton Fisk. In the middle of the fight, Nettles picked up Bill "Spaceman" Lee, and threw him to the ground. Unfortunately, Lee landed on his pitching shoulder, and suffered torn ligaments. He had won 17 games the previous season, so he was missed by Boston while on the disabled list, winning only 5 games that year. The Yankees easily finished in first place. Lee never forgave the Yankees for that incident. I can remember Nettles getting into a melee with George Brett of the KC Royals during the 1977 ALCS, but fortunately, nobody was injured in that one.

A Yankee 3Bman and a Beantown catcher ... who'd have thunk it!

OK, enough of the 2004 incident, back to baseball. Let's go SNAKES!

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

Maybe not, when Schil's no-no was broken up, the Yankee's clubhouse errupted in chears:

Hey that is Schilling we are talking about... I don't like the guy either, and not because he is a Red Sock. It's a guy you love to hate.

[SDL]

Hey that is Schilling we are talking about... I don't like the guy either, and not because he is a Red Sock. It's a guy you love to hate.

Hey...WE love him

[SDL]

Your homeboy keeps *YOU*, a mere Beantowner, as a friend? Sheesh, just when I thought he'd exercised good judgement.

Dear Beantown:

Please start losing games, as the MIGHTY YANKEES are once again winning as they should, set forth to retake first place, returning it to its rightful owner!

Hiya, SDL!

Hey..hey's from The Netherlands; I have dual-citizenship there

Wife and i are hitting the Tampa Yankees/dunedin Blue Jays game today. i'll be wearing my Sox gear; she'll wear some Mets stuff...

[bakes781]

Way to go Roger you just stepped it up to AAAA

[Mattingly]

Nervous?

Not as long as our pitching staff's ERA is 3.7 with 6.2 IPS
and your ERA remains around 4.6 with 5.4 IPS . . .

ERA doesn't always translate to wins. Matsuzaka lost on Sunday, despite the score being 2-1 when he'd left.

I'm more interested in wins than anything else. You can talk about team ERA, team offense, team defense, but in the end, a team has to win the games it's in.

[KenFougere]

ERA doesn't always translate to wins. Matsuzaka lost on Sunday, despite the score being 2-1 when he'd left.

I'm more interested in wins than anything else. You can talk about team ERA, team offense, team defense, but in the end, a team has to win the games it's in.

Of course getting the W is the goal in every game
but, the better your teams' ERA, offense, defense etc. is, the better your chances of winning more games.

[KenFougere]

Congratulations on reaching .500!

See what you can do when you try real hard? . . .

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

Congratulations on reaching .500!

See what you can do when you try real hard? . . .

Thank you, thank you! Finally some acknowledgement from the wrong side of the league...

[Old Sweater]

Curt Who??????????

[SDL]

Curt Who??????????

say...how'd that Carl Pavano signing turn out for you..?

[Mattingly]

Of course getting the W is the goal in every game
but, the better your teams' ERA, offense, defense etc. is, the better your chances of winning more games.

Considering how people like Ken kept talking about how many wins the Beantown starters had, I figured that the win itself would still be important.

Oh yeah, the team has to win, not just the pitcher. Considering we're in the DH league, all a pitcher, catcher, defense can do is prevent runs. If the offense doesn't do much, the ERA isn't as important.

To me, a team has to pitch and provide great run support. In Arizona, once again, the Red Sox were flustered by Unit. Since both Johnson and Matsuzaka pitched 6 frames, Unit's 1 run was the difference to Matsuzaka's 2 runs allowed.

I'll agree that ERA is nice. However, great defense seriously improves this. To me, ERA itself is a team effort. If an infielder or outfielder misjudges a ball, a hard single could be turned into a stand-up double. If it goes all the way to the wall, it could even be a sliding triple. That increases the pitcher's Opposing OPS, and if they're 2 ducks on the pond, that ERA will rise. No ducks on the pond, 2 outs, the very same hit could be followed by a groundout. By this, I say that pitching stats, even ERA, can be misleading.

Onto the good news: Wang was superb in defeating the Snakes' ace and reigning NL CYA winner on Tuesday, and Moose went 7-2/3 and only allowed 2 ER. Yeah, that crazy ERA thing again. Still, Moose could've just as easily have lost 2-1, but instead, the Yanks are scoring so we won 7-2 tonight.

To me, I don't have time to concentrate on individual stats (or even team stats). If you win lots of games by 8-6, then you'd have scored many runs. You'll win, but those are ugly wins. Either the team's clicking on all cylinders (pitching, offense, defense, baserunning) or it isn't. That's why I don't bother worrying about all these team stats.

Now then, Beantown (as a team) got skunked 12-2. Schill went 5.0 innings, allowed 5 runs. I don't believe that this totally reflects the difference between what Colorado scored and what Boston did.

I have no idea why the batter in front of Helton was IBB'd, unless going for the DP, but the bases-clearing double must've surprised Tito.

[Mattingly]

say...how'd that Carl Pavano signing turn out for you..?

He's pitched more innings in 2007 than Matt Clement has, that's for sure!

Anyway, Pavano isn't our ace. Wang and Pettitte (and perhaps shortly, Moose) are our co-aces. Schill got shelled tonight, lasting only 5 innings (with 5 ER). Matsuzaka has some very nice starts, but then he goes back and lasts just a few innings. I think he needs to be more consistent.

I've always felt that anyone's pen can be weak once it's exposed. While Boston's pen has looked strong before, once you don't have the option of handing the ball from starter to Okajima and then Paps, you're getting your pen exposed. While it's bad (for you guys & gals, anyway) that Schill gave up 5 runs over 5 frames, there were still 4 innings left. Over those 4 innings, 7 Colorado runs scored. I believe they're finally getting exposed.

Before, it was the Yanks overtaxing their pen since starters couldn't last very long. Now it's you people who may be having that situation repeat itself.