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  • Originally posted by Mattingly View Post
    In Game 3, despite it being a blowout, nobody was rested. Game 4 was the elimination game, so adding extra emphasis to this by keeping starters in seemed meaningless to me. The bench should practically have been empty for the end of Game 3, but Torre never did this.

    Neither Mel Stottlemyre (pitch coach) nor Joe Torre called for a pitch out in Game 4. No IBB either, and when you're desperate for a win, that's what 'd do. The tying run scored. Then Tom Gordon was absolutely horrible (which Torre never seemed to realize), leading to Rivera's overuse.

    I went over this in a thread on te Yankee forum asking us if we were rooting for Joe Torre. Let's just say that I'm not a Joe Torre fan.

    I was told that in the last game vs the Phillies, with a 2-run lead, 2 ducks on the pond and only 1 out, Torre let a reliever hit for himself. Would a self-respecting NL manager not do a double-switch at that time? I don't care if it's just a pinch hitter, it's that same bullpen mismanagement I saw as a Yankee fan and one I knew we'd keep on seeing unless he was gone. Torre has managed the Braves, Mets and Cards, so he's well familiar with NL managing.

    All managers have faults, but Torre's lack of in-game decision-making skills seem very predictable. He'll always give great soundbites in his very interesting voice, but one that too often comes up short in big games like this.

    That last game was an absolute must-win that could've tied the series, and he was leading the game in the 7th, and that same reliever, he took out in the 8th, putting in a guy who'd thrown 30+ pitches the day before. To me, that's the Joe Torre that I didn't want back. Instead of a 2-2 series, he now has to win three elimination games.

    Yes, the Yanks failed in 2004, but think that Game 4 was very winnable.
    My mind, most of his years with the Yanks Joe seemed to make the right move more often then not. His last couple of years in NY, not very good, over managed at times.

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    • Originally posted by SDL View Post
      Damon's a free agent?

      No thanks, we don't want him back in Fenway. Besides, somebody else now wears #18...

      And speaking of ex-Yankees (and I hope my fellow Sawx fans don't hate me for mentioning this), what was the name of that catcher you guys gave up to get the Big Unit from the D'backs? Navarro, right?
      To my knowldge, Damon's a free agent. He joined in 2005 or 2006? I think it was Unit who joined in 2005, and the Yanks gave Damon a 4 year deal, which was less than his requested z years.

      I'm unsure of Damon's history with Daon's #18, whether he wore this in KC or not (KC Ghost may know), but Matsuzaka's #18 came from some legendary Japanese pitcher, so it was his honor and pride to wear this. Even if Damon had remained in Boston, he'd have had to give up that number anyway.

      Yes, Dioneer Navarro was the catcher the Yanks traded to get Unit, along with Javier Vazquez. Go to baseball-reference.com and click on "Transactions" under the player profiles for full info.

      I think that Navarro could've been better used to get Beckett when he was available. That seemed like a great odea at the time. However, ex-Yankee Mike Lowell, who was traded away once the Yanks realized that Scott Brosius was more than just a seat warmer, was thrown into the Beckett deal as a forced duo. Now they're both hurt. Another one of my bright ideas down the drain.

      Now let's see if Navarro is still on the Yankee payroll.
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      • Originally posted by Mattingly View Post
        Learn ya baseball. Dem Bums played in Brooklyn, since they couldn't win until 1955, but were always beloved.
        Don't tell me to learn anything.

        Dem Bums is not the bums...
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        • Originally posted by efin98 View Post
          Don't tell me to learn anything.

          Dem Bums is not the bums...
          Hey, pal, I was just kidding with you.

          Which Bums are you talking about? The Yanks are the Bronx Bombers and the Brooklyn Dodgers are Dem Bums. To my knowledge, that nickname stayed in Brooklyn, wasn't transferred to Los Angeles.

          Well, with Joe Torre finally out due to his mismanagement, I won't have to worry about hearing his voice any more, unless he gets hired by TBS for the WS.

          Now let's see if Matsuzaka can roll the Dice on Thursday.
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          • Originally posted by Mattingly View Post
            Hey, pal, I was just kidding with you.
            I'm not the kind of person who likes being told point blank something like that without some kind of indication that it's a joke..I'm not hardwired for comedy and sarcasm as others are :blush: h

            Which Bums are you talking about? The Yanks are the Bronx Bombers and the Brooklyn Dodgers are Dem Bums. To my knowledge, that nickname stayed in Brooklyn, wasn't transferred to Los Angeles.
            The Dodgers may have been Dem Bums but the Yankees have earned the title this year with the way they played...a bum is a bum no matter where he is.

            Well, with Joe Torre finally out due to his mismanagement, I won't have to worry about hearing his voice any more, unless he gets hired by TBS for the WS.
            World Series is on Fox, not TBS
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            • Originally posted by efin98 View Post
              I'm not the kind of person who likes being told point blank something like that without some kind of indication that it's a joke..I'm not hardwired for comedy and sarcasm as others are :blush: h
              OK, we'll need to fix someone's sarcasm meter. Sheesh, like the days aren't bad enough without somone not understanding a joke.

              I shall use a parade of smilies the next time I commandeth thee to learneth thine gameth of baseball.

              The Dodgers may have been Dem Bums but the Yankees have earned the title this year with the way they played...a bum is a bum no matter where he is.
              That''s OK. not everyone hits greased lightning like Torre did in 1996. If the Yanks can do much better than this year, we should be fine.

              I think that if Girardi doesn't coddle the players and lets them know they're there to win and to stop chasing junk pitches, and stresses the game's fundamentals, such as advancing runners, being patient, and if Cashman gets us a solid rotation, we should be fine.

              World Series is on Fox, not TBS
              I should've guessed. TBS kept advertising having the playoffs, I'm not surprised. I hope that a cable channel never broadcasts the WS. Regular folks need to watch this.
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              • Originally posted by Mattingly View Post
                OK, we'll need to fix someone's sarcasm meter. Sheesh, like the days aren't bad enough without somone not understanding a joke.

                I shall use a parade of smilies the next time I commandeth thee to learneth thine gameth of baseball.
                Much obliged my bitterest of rivals

                That''s OK. not everyone hits greased lightning like Torre did in 1996. If the Yanks can do much better than this year, we should be fine.

                I think that if Girardi doesn't coddle the players and lets them know they're there to win and to stop chasing junk pitches, and stresses the game's fundamentals, such as advancing runners, being patient, and if
                So let Joey release the pitbulls on the team?

                Please do!

                That will be the funnest time in New York since Billy Martin managed...except without the actual skills and Hall of Fame abilities that Billy had

                Cashman gets us a solid rotation, we should be fine.
                He will do that, but at a price to the farm system again...although it is nice seeing your top prospects doing great on other teams when they were severely needed in New York

                I should've guessed. TBS kept advertising having the playoffs, I'm not surprised. I hope that a cable channel never broadcasts the WS. Regular folks need to watch this.
                Thankfully for us in in Boston we have a nice agreement with the big networks- they highjack the feeds for a small price and broadcast on the local broadcast channels so those few without cable or satellites can watch
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                Originally posted by nymdan
                Too... much... math... head... hurts...
                Originally posted by RuthMayBond
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                • Efin...

                  You HAVE to have cable to watch that OveRAYted team down here...FSN Florida carries most of the games, and the local ION station carries some...but their over-the-air signal is weaker than a 60 watt lightbulb.

                  Yeah..Mike Lowell has had a pretty good career with the Marlins & The Sox...and that Rays catcher...I hate him...now who did he originally sign with
                  sigpicMan, do I *HATE* the Yankees!!!!!!

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                  • Originally posted by efin98 View Post
                    Much obliged my bitterest of rivals
                    No problem, pal. But first, I will have to treat you like the losers your team is (and shall become tonight).

                    Let's hear it nice and loud for Tampa Bay and all the champagne they'll be drinking & chowda they'll be eating tonight! Oops, never mind, only you folks eat chowda.

                    So let Joey release the pitbulls on the team?

                    Please do!
                    I see that SDL has borrowed efin's password. Shame on him! :

                    That will be the funnest time in New York since Billy Martin managed...except without the actual skills and Hall of Fame abilities that Billy had
                    I remember Steinbrenner taunting Billy like he was George's rag doll to unapologetically and publicly embarass. He just kept putting down Billy, and thee was little that Bily did. Not a very good moment in Yankee history, other than the wins. At least we had Munson, Goose, Reggie, Rivers, Catfish, Chambliss, Piniella, Guidry, Dent, amongst others.

                    I'm not too sure we need a HoF manager. How many managers are going into this WS? Torre got eliminated, so that ends the contention. If the guy does his job and gives his team a great chance to win, can both set a good tone and advise the players on getting insurance runs, can force games closer, insuring that the opposing setup and closer get used on nights when the other manager wanted to rest them, he's forced that team's hand.

                    I like a manager who handles the lineup card and rotation wel, and I'm not too thrilled seeing slumping batters remain in a higher spot in the lineup when they obviously need a rest.

                    He will do that, but at a price to the farm system again...although it is nice seeing your top prospects doing great on other teams when they were severely needed in New York
                    I thought at the time that it would've been wasteful to trade Hughes, Cabrera and Kennedy for Santana. Looking back on the deal, only Hughes may have been my regret, despite Santana's now getting off-season surgery.

                    CC Sabathia is my main interest, and I'm looking towards getting another starter. We need to keep our bullpen, since they're no longer a house of horors, including the elongated funny mirror..

                    With Sabathia, Wang, Moose, Joba and one more, we'll be in good business.

                    Thankfully for us in in Boston we have a nice agreement with the big networks- they highjack the feeds for a small price and broadcast on the local broadcast channels so those few without cable or satellites can watch
                    I thought that was only mlb.tv. I presume that Selig favors Beantown, insuring that they have a steady stream of revenue.

                    Now we'll have to see where a sense of humor can be purchased for our young and wayward Beantowner.
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                    • Originally posted by efin98 View Post
                      Much obliged my bitterest of rivals
                      No problem, pal. But first, I will have to treat you like the losers your team is (and shall become tonight).

                      Let's hear it nice and loud for Tampa Bay and all the champagne they'll be drinking & chowda they'll be eating tonight! Oops, never mind, only you folks eat chowda.

                      So let Joey release the pitbulls on the team?

                      Please do!
                      I see that SDL has borrowed efin's password. Shame on him! :

                      That will be the funnest time in New York since Billy Martin managed...except without the actual skills and Hall of Fame abilities that Billy had
                      I remember Steinbrenner taunting Billy like he was George's rag doll to unapologetically and publicly embarass. He just kept putting down Billy, and thee was little that Bily did. Not a very good moment in Yankee history, other than the wins. At least we had Munson, Goose, Reggie, Rivers, Catfish, Chambliss, Piniella, Guidry, Dent, amongst others.

                      I'm not too sure we need a HoF manager. How many managers are going into this WS? Torre got eliminated, so that ends the contention. If the guy does his job and gives his team a great chance to win, can both set a good tone and advise the players on getting insurance runs, can force games closer, insuring that the opposing setup and closer get used on nights when the other manager wanted to rest them, he's forced that team's hand.

                      I like a manager who handles the lineup card and rotation wel, and I'm not too thrilled seeing slumping batters remain in a higher spot in the lineup when they obviously need a rest.

                      He will do that, but at a price to the farm system again...although it is nice seeing your top prospects doing great on other teams when they were severely needed in New York
                      I thought at the time that it would've been wasteful to trade Hughes, Cabrera and Kennedy for Santana. Looking back on the deal, only Hughes may have been my regret, despite Santana's now getting off-season surgery.

                      CC Sabathia is my main interest, and I'm looking towards getting another starter. We need to keep our bullpen, since they're no longer a house of horors, including the elongated funny mirror..

                      With Sabathia, Wang, Moose, Joba and one more, we'll be in good business.

                      Thankfully for us in in Boston we have a nice agreement with the big networks- they highjack the feeds for a small price and broadcast on the local broadcast channels so those few without cable or satellites can watch
                      I thought that was only mlb.tv. I presume that Selig favors Beantown, insuring that they have a steady stream of revenue.

                      Now we'll have to see where a sense of humor can be purchased for our young and wayward Beantowner.
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                      Rest very peacefully, John “Buck” O'Neil (1911-2006) & Philip Francis “Scooter” Rizzuto (1917-2007)
                      THE BROOKLYN DODGERS - 1890 thru 1957
                      Montreal Expos 1969 - 2004

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                      • Oh well, I gues that I was dead wrong in my prediction for a Rays-Phanatics WS. What can I tell you. It's not like the always resilient Beantown would ever lose in Game 7, now would they?

                        Good-bye and good nite.
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                        THE BROOKLYN DODGERS - 1890 thru 1957
                        Montreal Expos 1969 - 2004

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                        • Originally posted by Mattingly View Post
                          Oh well, I gues that I was dead wrong in my prediction for a Rays-Phanatics WS. What can I tell you. It's not like the always resilient Beantown would ever lose in Game 7, now would they?

                          Good-bye and good nite.
                          Someone missing a cockroach? I think I found one!

                          Someone call pest control!
                          Best posts ever:
                          Originally posted by nymdan
                          Too... much... math... head... hurts...
                          Originally posted by RuthMayBond
                          I understand, I lost all my marbles years ago

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                          • So how are the Yankees doing this post-season...?
                            sigpicMan, do I *HATE* the Yankees!!!!!!

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                            • Originally posted by SDL View Post
                              So how are the Yankees doing this post-season...?
                              Inviting Ortiz and his buddies to the country club, what else?

                              I hear their fans are delirious at the moment.
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                              THE BROOKLYN DODGERS - 1890 thru 1957
                              Montreal Expos 1969 - 2004

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                              • I heard New York was heavily infested . . .

                                Originally posted by efin98 View Post
                                Someone missing a cockroach? I think I found one!

                                Someone call pest control!
                                Now that's funny. I thought they were exterminated a month ago. They're certainly persistent vermin . . .
                                Ken Fougère

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