The Bitter Rivals Thread

[KenFougere]

Where's your cut-off point?

Great story... During one of Billy Martin's tenures as manager, Don Sutton was pitching for the Angels vs. Tommy John for the Yankees...

Anyway, they had TV's in the dugouts back then... And the TV coverage caught Sutton cheating. Later, they showed Bill watching the aforementioned TV coverage... Billy did NOTHING. When asked later about it, he said "If Tommy John's pitching for you, you don't throw stones."

Certain cheats are acceptable in baseball... if you don't get caught.* And sometimes, even if you do (Google: George Brett pine tar).

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[*Spitball legend Gaylord Perry was inducted into the HoF in 1991. :scholar:]

Oh, and kids... a bottle cap works better but it's harder to hide. [Hiya Ken! ]

Your opinon. At what point does "cheating" cross the line of being an acceptable part of the game?

[YankeeMan]

Your opinon. At what point does "cheating" cross the line of being an acceptable part of the game?

Well, I think the "traditional" cheats are the only okay ones... :cap:

Stealing the signs, corked bat, doctoring the , etc.... But only until you get caught.

For example, did you know it's against the rules for the pitcher to attempt to deceive the batter? :scholar:

However, in common practice, his job is all about deception.

[KenFougere]

A thorn in my side . . .

Well, I think the "traditional" cheats are the only okay ones... :cap:

Stealing the signs, corked bat, doctoring the , etc.... But only until you get caught.

For example, did you know it's against the rules for the pitcher to attempt to deceive the batter? :scholar:

However, in common practice, his job is all about deception.

What about players who excessively used steroids throughout their careers (and 'got caught') which artificially inflated their statistics to place them among the legitimate all-time MLB leaders?

[YankeeMan]

What about players who excessively used steroids throughout their careers (and 'got caught') which artificially inflated their statistics to place them among the legitimate all-time MLB leaders?

No. That's unacceptable. [IMO, the career and season HR records are still 755 and 60.]

Further, gambling on a baseball game that you've got an active roll in is the worst. I'm not saying Pete Rose shouldn't be in the HoF... I'm saying he should get there posthumously.

[KenFougere]

I agree.

No. That's unacceptable. [IMO, the career and season HR records are still 755 and 60.]

Further, gambling on a baseball game that you've got an active roll in is the worst. I'm not saying Pete Rose shouldn't be in the HoF... I'm saying he should get there posthumously.

Yea, that's my opinon also. -

[YankeeMan]

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Um, sorry Mr. Maris. I meant 61*.

[KenFougere]

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Um, sorry Mr. Maris. I meant 61*.

You know, I remember as I was reading that post and I read the part where you mentioned (755 & 60), I knew something seemed odd to me but I never gave it a second thought . . . Oh well. -

[YankeeMan]

On the GREEN MONSTER this morning...

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[Hiya Ken! ]

[KenFougere]

On the GREEN MONSTER this morning...

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[Hiya Ken! ]

First of all you couldn't of seen the Green Monster simply because you've been banned from Fenway for years now.
(and) don't get used to it. Remember, the fall from 1st place is much faster than the climb . . . . :stare: - :headbeat:

[KenFougere]

Ridiculous, AGAIN.

Ortiz has been tested 4 times all with negative results and Shaughnessy comes out with this crap!

"Hitting is not this easy. Athletes do not get better as they mature into their late 30s. Baseball has been peppered with performance-enhancing drugs for the last 20 years. The cheaters are always ahead of the testers. A number of players from the Dominican Republic have tested positive for steroids. Injuries to the Achilles’ tendon are consistent with steroid use. It is not natural for a guy to hit .426 out of the gate without the benefit of any spring training."

Dan Shaughnessy explains PED talk with David Ortiz

David Ortiz PED accusations

By The Way,

Jack Morris issues an apology to Clay Buchholz

by Igor Mello | CBSSports.com
Blue Jays announcer Jack Morris issued an apology to Red Sox pitcher Clay Buchholz prior to Friday's three-game series at Fenway Park.

Morris, a former major-league pitcher, accused Buchholz of throwing a spitball after watching video of his performance last week.

"I told him I was sorry that I had taken attention away from what he was doing -- that's not what I was trying to do," Morris told ESPN. "I told him to have fun with it. "

[YankeeMan]

...you couldn't of seen the Green Monster simply because you've been banned from Fenway for years now.

Like I told Ms. Yawkey, it was just a misunderstanding... All I said was "I didn't know Bucky had a middle name."

...the fall from 1st place is much faster than the climb . . . . :stare: - :headbeat:

Well, YOU would know more about that than me... WAY MORE.

[KenFougere]

What she must of endured.

Like I told Ms. Yawkey, it was just a misunderstanding... All I said was "I didn't know Bucky had a middle name."

Well, YOU would know more about that than me... WAY MORE.

Your poor wife. :dismay:

_{(She must be a strong woman and hopefully has a very good support group.) :crossfingers:}

[YankeeMan]

Your poor wife. :dismay:

_{(She must be a strong woman and hopefully has a very good support group.) :crossfingers:}

Yep, she's a Cubs fan... You gotta' be strong to be a Cubs fan. cubs.gif

[YankeeMan]

Oh, and here's a picture of her at a "support group" meeting (see arrow).

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[KenFougere]

Oh, and here's a picture of her at a "support group" meeting (see arrow).

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Well, that sealed it. You're nuts. :hyper: