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  • What is the ruling of this hypothetical play?

    Moderators, feel free to move this onto a more appropriate forum. I cannot find anything regarding baseball rules and rulings...

    Not long ago, I posted a tidbit on the Random Trivia thread regarding a very bizarre double play. Having pondered the play itself, it brought about a question in my mind regarding the rulebook. First, I will paste the posting below and then ask my question:

    One of the most bizarre double plays in baseball history occurred in 1889 in a game between the NL Chicago White Stockings and the visiting Philadelphia Quakers. In the top of the seventh inning, Philadelphia was threatening to score with Bill Hallman on third base and Jack Clements on second with nobody out. The batter, Ben Sanders, smacked a hard line drive that headed directly at Hallman, who was leading off of third base. Hallman froze and the ball struck him on the shoulder. Instead of falling to the ground, however, the ball caromed toward second base where it hit the oncoming Clements. The umpire ruled both men out for being hit by a batted ball. The Quakers argued that only Hallman was out, since the ball was dead once it struck him, but the umpire ruled that since no defensive player had touched the ball, it was still in play, therefore Clements was out, too. Ben Sanders had lined into a double play on which no fielder had so much as touched the ball.

    Here's my question: Given the same exact scenario, what would have been the ruling on the field had an infielder caught the ball on the fly AFTER it had struck both runners? Would that be scored as an unassisted triple play, with the two runners being called out because they were struck by a batted ball and the batter being out because the ball was caught before it hit the ground? That would be truly bizarre!
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  • #2
    Well technically it'd be an unassisted triple play since 3 outs were recorded with one player involved...maybe it can be just a regular triple play if you want to say the batter assisted in it. lol.
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    • #3
      Here's how I would rule on the play: It would be a triple play, but not unassisted because the fielder did not apply the outs to the two runners on base. The fielder would be credited with one out (the caught ball the batter hit). I'd hate to be the scorekeeper of that game HAHA. h

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      • #4
        The ump clearly blew the call. Only the first baserunner should have been out, unless the rules have changed since 1889. From the rulebook, 7.08, the baserunner is out if he is hit by a ball in fair territory.

        He is touched by a fair ball in fair territory before the ball has touched or passed an infielder. The ball is dead and no runner may score, nor runners advance, except runners forced to advance. EXCEPTION: If a runner is touching his base when touched by an Infield Fly, he is not out, although the batter is out;

        Rule 7.08(f) Comment: If two runners are touched by the same fair ball, only the first one is out because the ball is instantly dead.


        The game wasn't protested, so maybe the rules have changed since then. And if those rules still were in effect, then the hypothetical situation would have to be scored as an unassisted triple play.
        Last edited by Gee Walker; 03-13-2008, 08:20 AM. Reason: baserunner, not batter

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        • #5
          Well even if the rules were the same, if they won the game I doubt they would have protested.
          "I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher."
          -Rogers Hornsby-

          "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
          -Rogers Hornsby-

          Just a note to all the active members of BBF, I consider all of you the smartest baseball people I have ever communicated with and love everyday I am on here. Thank you all!

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