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  • Let's Make a Major League! (Phase III: Divisional Alignment)

    So far in this project to create a brand new MLB, we've decided upon the total number of teams and the structure of the league in the Phase I poll and determined the locations for the teams in the Phase II poll. Here are the 28 locations which made the cut:

    Atlanta, Baltimore, Boston, Chicago (1), Chicago (2), Cincinnati, Cleveland, Dallas, Denver, Detroit, Houston, Kansas City, Los Angeles (1), Los Angeles (2), Miami, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, New York (1), New York (2), Philadelphia, Phoenix, Pittsburgh, San Diego, San Francisco, Seattle, St. Louis, Toronto, Washington

    We have to organize these 28 locations based on geography into two conferences of two 7-team divisions each. Unfortunately, I've discovered that there's no clean way to divide them as such, so we're going to have to make some compromises. Below are four fairly reasonable schemes I've come up with for the league's divisional arrangement. Your job is vote on which scheme you think is best. If none of them appeal to you, feel free to vote for "Other" and describe your ideal scheme in a post. Make sure to examine each arrangement carefully before voting!

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    These first two alignments differ only in the placement of the two Chicago teams and the Milwaukee team.

    Alignment #1

    Code:
    WESTERN CONFERENCE     EASTERN CONFERENCE
    
    Central Division       Atlantic Division
    
    Chicago (1)            Baltimore
    Dallas                 Boston
    Houston                Miami
    Kansas City            New York (1)
    Milwaukee              New York (2)
    Minneapolis            Philadelphia
    St. Louis              Washington
    
    Pacific Division       Midwest Division
    
    Denver                 Atlanta
    Los Angeles (1)        Chicago (2)
    Los Angeles (2)        Cincinnati
    Phoenix                Cleveland
    San Diego              Detroit
    San Francisco          Pittsburgh
    Seattle                Toronto
    Alignment #2

    Code:
    WESTERN CONFERENCE     EASTERN CONFERENCE
    
    Central Division       Atlantic Division
    
    Chicago (1)            Baltimore
    Chicago (2)            Boston
    Dallas                 Miami
    Houston                New York (1)
    Kansas City            New York (2)
    Minneapolis            Philadelphia
    St. Louis              Washington
    
    Pacific Division       Midwest Division
    
    Denver                 Atlanta
    Los Angeles (1)        Cincinnati
    Los Angeles (2)        Cleveland
    Phoenix                Detroit
    San Diego              Milwaukee
    San Francisco          Pittsburgh
    Seattle                Toronto
    ~~~~~~

    These next two alignments split the teams into different geographic groupings than the first two. Alignments #3 and #4 differ from each other in the placement of the divisions within the two conferences.

    Alignment #3

    Code:
    WESTERN CONFERENCE     EASTERN CONFERENCE
    
    Central Division       Northeast Division
    
    Chicago (1)            Baltimore
    Chicago (2)            Boston
    Cleveland              New York (1)
    Detroit                New York (2)
    Milwaukee              Philadelphia
    Minneapolis            Toronto
    Pittsburgh             Washington
    
    Pacific Division       South Division
    
    Denver                 Atlanta
    Los Angeles (1)        Cincinnati
    Los Angeles (2)        Dallas
    Phoenix                Houston
    San Diego              Kansas City
    San Francisco          Miami
    Seattle                St. Louis
    Alignment #4

    Code:
    WESTERN CONFERENCE     EASTERN CONFERENCE
    
    South Division         Northeast Division
    
    Atlanta                Baltimore
    Cincinnati             Boston
    Dallas                 New York (1)
    Houston                New York (2)
    Kansas City            Philadelphia
    Miami                  Toronto
    St. Louis              Washington
    
    Pacific Division       Central Division
    
    Denver                 Chicago (1)
    Los Angeles (1)        Chicago (2)
    Los Angeles (2)        Cleveland
    Phoenix                Detroit
    San Diego              Milwaukee
    San Francisco          Minneapolis
    Seattle                Pittsburgh
    Those are the best I could come up with. Don't be shy about choosing "Other" and posting your own if you don't like any of these. If "Other" wins the poll, we'll have a runoff between the newly proposed alignments.
    12
    Alignment #1
    16.67%
    2
    Alignment #2
    41.67%
    5
    Alignment #3
    8.33%
    1
    Alignment #4
    25.00%
    3
    Other (please describe)
    8.33%
    1
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  • #2
    I went ahead and voted for alignment 2. I went with 2 over 1 because i figured that since the 2 NY teams are in the same division as are the LA teams, the Chicago teams ought to be as well.

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    • #3
      I went for #4. Cincinnati, St. Louis & Kansas City are probably not as south as south could dictate but there is a distinct shortage of real south locations.
      "A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz." ~Humphrey Bogart

      No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference. ~Tommy Lasorda

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      • #4
        I went with 3. 3 and 4 are equal choices to me. If at the end 4 needs one more vote to win, I would like my vote to go to it.
        Chop! Chop! Chop!

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        • #5
          I don't see Pittsburgh & Philadelphia grouped together at all. It makes a natural rivalry - and far more sense than putting Miami with any of the Northeast teams. But if we do this, there is no clean way to group the rest together. Even if we try 7 divisions of 4 teams each we can't do it.
          Holding a pitcher accountable for how many runs his team scores is like holding the designated hitter accountable for how many runs his team allows.

          An individual statistic is meaningful only if it is based strictly on what the player does and not on what the other players on his team do.

          Contrary to what most baseball fans claim, a pitched ball which is hit into play is not a strike.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by BiZmaRK View Post
            I don't see Pittsburgh & Philadelphia grouped together at all. It makes a natural rivalry - and far more sense than putting Miami with any of the Northeast teams. But if we do this, there is no clean way to group the rest together. Even if we try 7 divisions of 4 teams each we can't do it.
            Well, I suppose we could swap Toronto and Pittsburgh in either Alignment #3 or #4. Since Pittsburgh is a much smaller market than Toronto, I had figured it would be better to put Toronto rather than Pittsburgh in the same division as such large markets as New York, Boston, and Philly.
            Last edited by Nerdlinger; 06-25-2012, 05:53 PM.
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            • #7
              I went with #4. Miami is the only team who would be out of region but I would rather see Miami in a Western Division than Chicago. I never liked how the Whitesox were part of the AL West. (although I can see why they had to do it back then.)
              "(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack

              "I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)

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              • #8
                Originally posted by chicagowhitesox1173 View Post
                I went with #4. Miami is the only team who would be out of region but I would rather see Miami in a Western Division than Chicago. I never liked how the Whitesox were part of the AL West. (although I can see why they had to do it back then.)
                The biggest problem with the more regional Alignments 3 and 4 is that in either case, you've got three teams in the Eastern Time Zone being placed in the Western Conference. At the same time, you also have four teams in the Central Time Zone being placed in the Eastern Conference, though that's not quite as problematic. It's a bit awkward to have Pittsburgh or Miami in the same conference as Seattle and San Diego, or to have Boston and Toronto in the same conference as Dallas and Houston. The first two alignments have the advantage of keeping all the Eastern Time Zone teams in one conference and all the Central, Mountain, and Pacific Time Zone teams in the other conference (with one exception, either Chicago or Milwaukee).
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