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  • trosmok
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    May the best team win!

    WuzIriteorwhut? Cuba, the best team in the WBC, is now cleared to participate in the exhibition. Best of luck to all, and Go Cuba!:gt

    Hope this link works; Ronald Blum of AP Sports and four others contributed to the story:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news;_yl...ov=ap&type=lgn
    Last edited by trosmok; 01-23-2006, 07:46 AM.

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  • trosmok
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    Hey Bud! Dubya! et.al., your bungling ways are folly.

    The International Baseball Federation is about to nix the whole WBC if certain "leaders" don't come to grips with reality and let the best team play. If the Cuban National team is not allowed to compete, future international competitions are in serious jeopardy.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...wbc/index.html

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  • trosmok
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    Venezuelan proposal still unanswered

    Hugo "Loco" Chavez hasn't heard back yet from MLB, and I'm not sure they take his offer even half seriously. Unless I am mistaken, once spring training starts, many of the stars who have previously "committed" to playing in the WBC will be dropping out like 16yr.old ninth graders. Minor injuries here, family issues there, strange flu-like symptoms, etc.; I just see a whole lot of wind going out of the sails of Slug Selig's latest folly. I think a team of Cuban defectors would be a gas to include, but not at the expense of the CNT, which have not yet heard back from Treasury Dept. officials regarding their recent resubmission. Oh well, there's still Beijing in '08 to look forward to... TSN's Stan McNeal must be thinking similarly:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/sn/20060103/...ntliveuptohype
    Last edited by trosmok; 01-05-2006, 09:25 AM.

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  • trosmok
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    Nobody's fool

    Man about sports' take on the whole WBC mess:

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseb...-classic_x.htm

    I am now wondering if this exhibition is worth all the petty sniping.
    Last edited by trosmok; 12-27-2005, 09:10 AM.

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  • christian gentleman
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    [QUOTE=trosmok]Cuba has offered it's share of the WBC games proceeds to the victims of Hurrican Katrina in their newest application to Treasury for a permit.


    that's brilliant.

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  • trosmok
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    Second time around

    Cuba has offered it's share of the WBC games proceeds to the victims of Hurrican Katrina in their newest application to Treasury for a permit.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns

    Puerto Rico has made it clear it will withdraw it's offer to host the first two rounds if the Cuban permit is again denied. Looks more and more like solidarity among the teams, the athletes, the sponsors, and the fans will win out over cold war nonsense.

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  • trosmok
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    One more revolution

    No change really needs to be made in order for the CNT to participate in compliance with the Treasury dept.s' narrow interpretation of the cold war law. All that needs to be done is to stipulate the proceeds realized by Cuba will be used for strictly "humanitarian" needs. This is what was done in '99 when the Orioles played the home and home two game series against Havana's finest.

    You don't need to be a Fidelista to support inclusiveness, see?

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/dolphin...TODA_1218.html

    BTW, the poll was running 74% to 26% of that south Florida paper's readers in favor of allowing Cuba to participate.
    Last edited by trosmok; 12-19-2005, 09:20 AM.

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  • efin98
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    Originally posted by yankees rule
    Maybe this can help to turn back the stupid decision.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/17/sp...ll/17cuba.html
    Actually, it supports it. This is the key in the article:

    "Ted Howard, the deputy secretary general of Concacaf, the soccer confederation of North and Central America and the Caribbean, said the Cubans had followed "normal channels" in applying for visas in their country and receiving them through the State Department.
    "There's nothing earth-shattering about it," Howard said.

    Steve Torres, a spokesman for Concacaf, added, "This is the same as granting visas for Cuban athletes to participate in the Olympics.""


    Also of note is this:

    Baseball officials are planning to change their application so Cuba receives no financial consideration.
    They make the change to comply with federal laws, the decision is reversed.
    Last edited by efin98; 12-18-2005, 05:45 AM.

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    Maybe this can help to turn back the stupid decision.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/17/sp...ll/17cuba.html

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    Eventhough the chances of Holland to reach te second round will increase, I still think this is a devaluation of the tournament. Cuba must participate.

    If the US government really wants people to participate in freedom, I know a lot of other countries against whom she should take action. But this is only because Cuba is in Washington's back yard, just like in the Reagan days.

    Sorry guys, but this is just not right IMO.
    Last edited by Yankeebiscuitfan; 12-17-2005, 12:08 PM.

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  • digglahhh
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    Its hard to keep politics out a discussion regarding an act that was 100% political and had nothing at all to do with baseball.

    Petty, very petty! I wouldn't expect anything else...

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  • christian gentleman
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    no a-rod

    without a-rod, i think the wbc is just an exhibition and not serious. and if latin players start to protest the US decision not to let cuba play, ("let" what a horrible preconception), I think the thing should be cancelled. the game of baseball is a city game after all, not a national game. go yanks, go sox, go Oakland. let's focus on the best the game can be the way it has been for so long. bud selig should be more outspoken. where is our giamatti? where is our connie mack? where is kenesaw mountain landis? no visionary in the game at the moment is a disappointment and a major handicap.

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  • Brannu
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    "Can't we all just ge along."

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  • Captain Cold Nose
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    While posting articles is fine, Andruw, please be careful to remove the advertising before you paste.

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  • Andruw
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    Puerto Rico to help Cuba into Classic

    Puerto Rico to help Cuba into Classic

    NEW YORK (AP) -- U.S. bids to host future Olympic Games will be damaged by the Bush administration's decision to prevent Cuba from playing in next year's inaugural World Baseball Classic, a member of the IOC said Thursday.

    The U.S. Treasury Department denied a request by Major League Baseball and the Major League Baseball Players Association for a permit to allow Cuba to send a team.














    "It's for baseball to decide, but if they don't make a stand on something like that, then they will have big problems down the road," said Dick Pound, an International Olympic Committee member from Canada.

    If not reversed, he said "it would completely scupper any bid" by the United States for the Summer or Winter Games.

    Baseball officials said they had asked lawyers at Morgan Lewis & Bockius to attempt to have the Bush administration reverse the decision by the Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Assets Control, which by law must issue permits for certain transactions with Fidel Castro's communist country.

    "I think our policy regarding Cuba is pretty well known," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said. "We want people in Cuba to participate in freedom."

    Rep. Lincoln Diaz-Balart, a Florida Republican, said he had spoken with the Treasury Department urging that the permit be denied.

    "There are plenty of free Cuban players and Cuban-Americans here in the majors and in the minors who would be proud to represent Cuba, and they should be able to and not a totalitarian regime that would share in any proceeds from this tournament," he said.

    He rejected Pound's claim that the decision will hurt the U.S. in Olympic bidding.

    "Hopefully by an Olympic very near in the future there will be a free Cuba, anyway," Diaz-Balart said. "I think that's one of the most absurd arguments I've heard in a long time."

    U.S. Olympic Committee spokesman Darryl Seibel said any fallout in the IOC was hard to predict because the USOC hasn't decided when it will make its next bid. But he also added: "Certainly it's important for any country that's bidding for the Games to be able to represent with confidence that athletes and coaches from around the world will be able to come to their country."

    In Havana, government officials didn't react to the decision, but several Cuban citizens were angry.

    "Enough already!" said Antonio Mayeta, whose brother plays for Havana's Industriales baseball team. "It's unbelievable. This is about sports, not politics. In Cuba, baseball is our culture. Everyone was so anxious to see these games."

    Said Victor Renglon, sitting on a park bench in central Havana: "Everyone from Fidel to little boys are born with a bat in their hands."

    Puerto Rico Secretary of State Fernando Bonilla planned to meet Friday with the head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Puerto Rico, and seek help in reversing the decision from Luis Fortuno, Puerto Rico's nonvoting representative in Congress, and from the director of the Puerto Rico Federal Affairs Administration in Washington.

    In 1999, the U.S. government allowed Cuba's national team to play an exhibition game against the Baltimore Orioles at Camden Yards, the second leg of a home-and-home series.

    "Back then it was the Clinton administration not only allowing but organizing the opening to Castro and utilizing Peter Angelos and the Baltimore Orioles and Bud Selig. They were instigating it," Diaz-Balart said. "This administration is complying with law and policy."

    Pound pointed out the U.S. government allowed Cuba to participate in the 1996 Atlanta Olympics. Twelve years earlier, Cuba was part of the boycott of the Los Angeles Games.

    Just last summer, Cuba's national soccer team was allowed to come to the United States for the CONCACAF Gold Cup, the championship of North and Central America and the Caribbean.

    "Sports should be separated from politics," U.S. Soccer Federation president Bob Contiguglia said. "That's been a FIFA and an IOC philosophy, and we concur with that philosophy. In soccer, we've played Cuba in sport on many occasions and it's never been a problem. We've had teams go to Cuba and they've come here. So it seems kind of shortsighted that the administration would do that."

    Diaz-Balart compared the situation to the international sports ban on teams from apartheid South Africa that ran from the 1960s to the 1990s.

    "I don't know why the double standard," he said. "It's all right to oppress the Cuban people, I guess, if there's a white dictator, but with people of mixed race suffering the consequences."

    Treasury Secretary John Snow was not available for comment on the issue, spokeswoman Molly Millerwise said. Officials of the IOC didn't respond to requests for comment.

    FIFA president Sepp Blatter was unconcerned.

    "This would not happen in football," he said Friday in Tokyo. "Before giving the organization (rights) of the World Cup or any world competition, we have a government guarantee before we start, so we avoid this situation."
    Last edited by Captain Cold Nose; 12-16-2005, 04:19 AM.

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