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  • iPod
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    Originally posted by Dodgerfan1
    I asked the same question as Seattle1 did on my post above, and I agree with him. I don't think you can make a blanket statement that all of Berra's quotes are satirical jabs at the language. What about "I take a two hour nap, from one o'clock to four", or "Why buy good luggage? You only use it when you travel"? Those aren't puns, plays on words or spoonerisms, they are just dumb statements. Much like the type those who can't stand McCarver love to criticize him for, yet Berra gets a pass. I do believe I understand what you are saying, but I think the question is still a valid one.

    Even if you consider my comparisons bad examples, they are still verbal blunders and ones that McCarver haters would have jumped all over Tim for. I think it's a double standard but, again, I suppose it's just human nature defend people you like yet criticize those you don't for the same offenses. Almost like the Kenny Rogers/dirt vs pine tar thread. Those who like the Tigers defend him and those who don't criticize him, yet both would probably do a 180 if, say, Jeff Weaver had the substance on his pitching hand and threw a shutout at the Tigers.
    The other thing that's important to consider here is context. When did these people make these quotes, and in what capacity? In addition to the fact that I just genuinely think Yogi's quotes are more clever, several almost to the point where I wonder if they were accidental at all, the two made their quotes in very different circumstances. Yogi wasn't paid to talk and sound intelligent.

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  • Sliding Billy
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    There's an odd connection between Berra and McCarver that just occurred to me.

    Many years ago, I think when he was with the Mets, Yogi once appeared on a soap opera with a medical theme. The scene was set in a cafeteria, and while the two actors were having their earnest conversation, one of them would repeatedly stare over at at another table, where Yogi sat silently eating his meal. Finally the actor whispers, "That guy over there looks awfully familiar. I know I've seen him before, but I just can't place him."

    "Who? Oh, him! Don't you know? That's Dr. So-and-so, the famous brain surgeon."

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  • redlegsfan21
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    Originally posted by Dodgerfan1
    Yes, there is that.... Somehow, though, I don't think that's what the anti-McCarver folks base their dislike on.
    Well, I believe an announcer should sound professional and not not make weird and stupid comments. I think people accept the fact that Yogi Berra didn't even finish 8th grade. But if you repeat the same fact with two different phrases in the same sentance, it makes it hard for people to understand.

    Let me take two quotes.
    "It's like deja vu all over again"-Yogi Berra
    This sentence references Yogi having deja vu again so in this sentence, Deju vu doesn't equal all over again in this sentence. Yogi is having a second Deja vu experience.
    "Beckett's retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he's having a phenomonal night..."
    This sentence references Beckett. As baseball fans and people who can do 6x3+1=19. These two phrases equal the same thing.

    Also, I believe that people like Yogi's quotes more because there are explainations with them/coming from unlike McCarver's quotes.
    Yogiisms
    McCarverisms

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  • Dodgerfan1
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    Originally posted by nascarfn5
    How about the fact that McCarver is paid to speak and Yogi is not.
    Yes, there is that.... Somehow, though, I don't think that's what the anti-McCarver folks base their dislike on.

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  • redlegsfan21
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    Originally posted by ChrisLDuncan
    Actually he is, he does the AFLAC commericals aswell as others.
    After he became famous for his quotes.

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  • ChrisLDuncan
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    Originally posted by nascarfn5
    How about the fact that McCarver is paid to speak and Yogi is not.
    Actually he is, he does the AFLAC commericals aswell as others.

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  • redlegsfan21
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    How about the fact that McCarver is paid to speak and Yogi is not.

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  • DBH
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    Originally posted by ChrisLDuncan
    Well I think we can all agree that McCarver is better than Hawk Harelson.
    You can put that on the booooooooooooooooooooard!

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  • ChrisLDuncan
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    Well I think we can all agree that McCarver is better than Hawk Harelson.

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  • DBH
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    I am convinced that Scooter the Talking Baseball is a McCarver creation.

    Last night's was great..."A sweeping curveball sweeps across the plate. That's why it's called a sweeping curveball".

    Now you tell me who says "sweeping curveball" on the telecast. Niles Crane doesn't. Must be the brain surgeon.

    I like Buck and Tim. I also like making fun of them. I am a Cards fan, so waaa-whoooo!!

    I do miss Vin Scully doing the World Series for NBC. That's he only guy who can call a game solo and smooth as silk.

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  • Dodgerfan1
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    Originally posted by iPod
    Yogi Berra wouldn't say something like "Mt Everest erupts again" or "There is a world of difference between a count of one ball and two strikes is a lot different situation than hitting with two strikes and one ball" or "The reason we call that pitch up and in is because the arms are attached to the shoulder." Those are simply nonsensical. Yogi's quotes were almost like satirical little jabs at the English language itself.
    I asked the same question as Seattle1 did on my post above, and I agree with him. I don't think you can make a blanket statement that all of Berra's quotes are satirical jabs at the language. What about "I take a two hour nap, from one o'clock to four", or "Why buy good luggage? You only use it when you travel"? Those aren't puns, plays on words or spoonerisms, they are just dumb statements. Much like the type those who can't stand McCarver love to criticize him for, yet Berra gets a pass. I do believe I understand what you are saying, but I think the question is still a valid one.

    Even if you consider my comparisons bad examples, they are still verbal blunders and ones that McCarver haters would have jumped all over Tim for. I think it's a double standard but, again, I suppose it's just human nature defend people you like yet criticize those you don't for the same offenses. Almost like the Kenny Rogers/dirt vs pine tar thread. Those who like the Tigers defend him and those who don't criticize him, yet both would probably do a 180 if, say, Jeff Weaver had the substance on his pitching hand and threw a shutout at the Tigers.
    Last edited by Dodgerfan1; 10-27-2006, 07:44 AM.

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  • iPod
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    Originally posted by Seattle1
    One question: why do people reminisce fondly about the nonsensical statements and flubbing up of the English language by Yogi Berra over the years, but are annoyed and/or offended by Tim McCarver butchering the language? What is the major difference? In 30 years will people look back on McCarver in a positive light?

    Yogi Berra wouldn't say something like "Mt Everest erupts again" or "There is a world of difference between a count of one ball and two strikes is a lot different situation than hitting with two strikes and one ball" or "The reason we call that pitch up and in is because the arms are attached to the shoulder." Those are simply nonsensical. Yogi's quotes were almost like satirical little jabs at the English language itself.

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  • Los Bravos
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    All I can say about that is that I've never really been a devotee of the Cute Yogi Quote Club.

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  • Seattle1
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    Yogi Berra vs. Tim McCarver

    One question: why do people reminisce fondly about the nonsensical statements and flubbing up of the English language by Yogi Berra over the years, but are annoyed and/or offended by Tim McCarver butchering the language? What is the major difference? In 30 years will people look back on McCarver in a positive light?

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  • bluezebra
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    Originally posted by Sweet Lou
    One problem may be that he just doesn't have a knack for jokes. The Groundball statement seems a tongue-in-cheek statement that could be very funny if spoken in the right way, and taken in the right way. And the statement about the ball being down and up is just hilarious...he obviously just mis-spoke, and that's OK, because we all do it. Shoot, we all have typos in our messages here on this forum all the time. Bad English is one thing, a typo is quite another. Well, I'm sure McCarver has had a few verbal typos.
    That said, he says a lot of stupid things. And that list is just a small example. I like good analysis, because I like to get inside the players' and managers' heads and figure out what's going on, what the possiblilties are, the "game within the game" if you know what I mean. But it's true, some things are just stupid. The 19 batters thing is just silly. If he meant 19 straight batters, then it makes sense, but I have a feeling that's not what was happening. But it is hard to speak on your feet like sportscasters do. I tried to do it a couple years ago during the All-Star Fan Fest here in Chicago. They had this video booth, and you could put on headphones, pick from a selection of plays, and then do the play-by-play. A friend and I did it together, (He was color commentary, I was play-by-play) and gave it a shot. It was hard! So, I have a little mercy on these guys. But I don't have mercy on Hawk Harrelson.
    But Tim is professional. He should get a talking to.
    A TRUE professional doesn't make stupid remarks, especially in such large numbers. You and your friend are two amateurs, and are not expected to "think on your feet". And McCarver's pontificating on the rules is beyond belief. He "supposedly" read the correct ruling on a situation the other night. I believe someone read it to him.

    Bob

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