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AL Gold Glove Winners Announced

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  • AL Gold Glove Winners Announced

    The 2006 AL Gold Glove Winners were just announced. Here's a link to the MLB.com article.

    The winners are (with their total Glove Glove wins in parentheses):

    C: Ivan Rodriguez (12)
    1B: Mark Teixeira (2)
    2B: Mark Grudielanek (1)
    SS: Derek Jeter (3)
    3B: Eric Chavez (6)
    OF: Torii Hunter (6)
    OF: Ichiro Suzuki (6)
    OF: Vernon Wells (3)
    P: Kenny Rogers (5)

    So let the debates begin. I'm sure the biggest will probably be about Derek Jeter. I was surprised Jeter won this year because there has been so much talk out there about how he's overrated defensively, and I believe defensive metrics are started to take hold a little bit more and filtering in the main stream. I thought by now, the discussion of Jeter being overrated defensively had become too big to igore. Nevertheless, the writers went for him again.
    Last edited by DoubleX; 11-02-2006, 02:05 PM.

  • #2
    As much as I hate Jeter, I'd give it to him over Tejada.
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    • #3
      I agree with all but two. Chien-Ming Wang had as good a year as any defensively on the mound, and Mike Lowell and Joe Crede were both incredible at third base, much better than Chavez. The problem is, after you give a player a Gold Glove for several years in a row, it looks weird when you don't see their name next to it anymore.
      He's going to not come back this year, sign with the Red Sox for like 8 dollars and win the Cy Young going 35-0 with an ERA of 0.00
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      • #4
        Gary Matthews Jr. is snubbed in my opinion although the 3 up there are very good as well. He doesn't deserve to be left out though.
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        • #5
          Chavez was good, even though his offensive totals were awful. It was a toss up between Chavez, Lowell and Crede, either won it, it was well deserved.

          I would get into the Jeter debate, but I'll do that in a topic in the Yankee forum instead of making this "Why Jeter won?" topic. A-Gone was by far the best SS in MLB.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by DoubleX
            The 2006 AL Gold Glove Winners were just announced. Here's a link to the MLB.com article.

            The winners are (with their total Glove Glove wins in parentheses):

            C: Ivan Rodriguez (12)
            1B: Mark Teixeira (2)
            2B: Mark Grudielanek (1)
            SS: Derek Jeter (3)
            3B: Eric Chavez (6)
            OF: Torii Hunter (6)
            OF: Ichiro Suzuki (6)
            OF: Vernon Wells (3)
            P: Kenny Rogers (5)

            So let the debates begin. I'm sure the biggest will probably be about Derek Jeter. I was surprised Jeter won this year because there has been so much talk out there about how he's overrated defensively, and I believe defensive metrics are started to take hold a little bit more and filtering in the main stream. I thought by now, the discussion of Jeter being overrated defensively had become too big to igore. Nevertheless, the writers went for him again.
            arent gold gloves decided by coaches and managers? because i remember hearing that ozzie would vote for alex rodriguez in order for crede to win.

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            • #7
              How did Hunter win again? Mostly due to injuries he was almost a defensive liability for a good part of the year. He was no where near the fielder he was in 2000-2003.

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              • #8
                I'm shocked Hunter played 147 games. I thought he missed more time. Hunter won the award due to his name, like most people won the GG.

                While I thought I could agrue Jeter for the award, I can't. Just look at all the SS this season and you'll understand. A-Gone missed 51 games last season, but I still would have gave him the award myself since SS of this crop were not that good and A-Gone was just that much better than the next SS.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Evangelion
                  While I thought I could agrue Jeter for the award, I can't. Just look at all the SS this season and you'll understand. A-Gone missed 51 games last season, but I still would have gave him the award myself since SS of this crop were not that good and A-Gone was just that much better than the next SS.
                  Playing Devil's Advocate here (or whatever it is they call it), even if Alex Gonzalez is, as many believe, a better fielding SS, what's the likelihood he'll actually get this over a bigger name SS? What I'm asking is, does this seem like a popularity contest, like how some view the MVP?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mattingly
                    Playing Devil's Advocate here (or whatever it is they call it), even if Alex Gonzalez is, as many believe, a better fielding SS, what's the likelihood he'll actually get this over a bigger name SS? What I'm asking is, does this seem like a popularity contest, like how some view the MVP?
                    It seems to be turning more and more into a popularity contest. Although MOST of the time, the deserving players do win.

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                    • #11
                      GG been a popularity contest. Palmeiro?

                      A-Gone still played in a big market. In this regard, Jeter played most of the season and had an "MVP" season, which likely helped since people likely think he's playing the field well, even though most inform people know that's not true and he's slighty better than average. Jeter win the award when he's slighty worst, even or slighty better than the next person who should win the award.

                      If A-Gone played the entire season and Jeter still won, I won't have been surprised, but people that voted for Jeter can't justify his selection if A-Gone did play the entire season and had 7-8 errors at SS, which was completely possible for him.

                      Popularity contest? You could say that, but when human beings are involved, bias is unavoidable. Even the person that feel he's the most unbias person in the world will show some form of bias toward the team or player he or she cheer and root for.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Evangelion
                        Popularity contest? You could say that, but when human beings are involved, bias is unavoidable. Even the person that feel he's the most unbias person in the world will show some form of bias toward the team or player he or she cheer and root for.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by EvanAparra
                          It seems to be turning more and more into a popularity contest. Although MOST of the time, the deserving players do win.
                          I'll just outright ask the silly question that's on my mind. Thump me upside the head if it's too silly.

                          If a higher-profile player who's also a much better hitter (Jeter) plays about the same number of games (say 150-155) than the slicker fielder (Gonzalez), do you think that the voters would still most likely give the higher profile player the award mostly based upon name recognition?

                          As to Raffy, that thing was an absolute farce, as he'd played 135 games as a DH, only about 28 as a 1Bman.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mattingly
                            I'll just outright ask the silly question that's on my mind. Thump me upside the head if it's too silly.

                            If a higher-profile player who's also a much better hitter (Jeter) plays about the same number of games (say 150-155) than the slicker fielder (Gonzalez), do you think that the voters would still most likely give the higher profile player the award mostly based upon name recognition?

                            As to Raffy, that thing was an absolute farce, as he'd played 135 games as a DH, only about 28 as a 1Bman.
                            Probably, and unfortunately. If people still want to call Jeter UNDERrated after these two awards (hank aaron) they are just going to look silly. Gonzalez was a better fielder, but Jeter has the bigger name, plays for the Yanks, and has a great bat. So he wins.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by EvanAparra
                              It seems to be turning more and more into a popularity contest. Although MOST of the time, the deserving players do win.
                              Not this time. Alex Gonzalez deserved the glove way more than Jeter. I look at this year's gold glove infeild, and i just have one word: Bullcrap.
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