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Would you want Barry Bonds as a Giants-Fan?

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  • #16
    Originally posted by SwissRedSoxFan
    Would you like to have this guy who is likely hitting below .250 in 2007, because he will be looking Homerun every single at bat. He won't care about the team. Thats my opinion, what is yours?
    Barry, if playing a full season, will not have to be "looking homerun every single at bat" to pass the record. It's not a matter of "if" for next season, it is a matter of when. He will not be hitting less than .250 either. I'll place a hefty wager on that. And, if he plays for Oakland, at DH ... he may have the record by the all-star break.

    However, there is this relevant article. Sabean wants Bonds back.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/a...2006&fext=.jsp

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Jose Reyes
      I think it would be a bad baseball move to sign him regardless of whether or not he cares about winning anymore. It would just be a bad move for the future to pay a ton of money for a 40+ year old who can barely run anymore just because he's approaching a record.
      Do you really believe that people will sign him "just because he's approaching a record"?

      Bonds did bat .292 in the second half ... showing that maybe his knees were getting stronger, and if that's the case, he will bring in lots of revenue for any team that is willing to pay.

      However, it appears to me that San Francisco would be wise to shore up their pitching before Manny, Barry or anyone is signed. But, that's just me.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Brannu
        Do you really believe that people will sign him "just because he's approaching a record"?

        Bonds did bat .292 in the second half ... showing that maybe his knees were getting stronger, and if that's the case, he will bring in lots of revenue for any team that is willing to pay.

        However, it appears to me that San Francisco would be wise to shore up their pitching before Manny, Barry or anyone is signed. But, that's just me.
        There's also the financial aspect - Barry will put people in seats, especially as he gets closer to Aaron's record. Most of the country dislikes Barry, but from my understanding, he remains popular in San Francisco and is the face of the franchise. Losing something like that can be difficult to recover from, especially if the team goes on to struggle. Cal Ripken's retirement is a good example. His departure combined with the Orioles struggles resulted in less fans attending that great park that seemingly sold out all the time throughout the 90s.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by cardsfanatic
          Ok... put Jim Brown in today's NFL and he sucks, where DL run 4.7 40's. The point that proves? If Babe Ruth were born at a later date he would have grown up with access to weights and dieticians and this and that. If you go changing the era he plays in you also change the era he grows up in.

          But, you seem to know exactly how it'd workout and Ruth would suck in today's baseball. So, when you want to rent out your "alternate reality machine" just let me know.
          I'll rent it out now if you want?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by cardsfanatic
            I disagree with that Ruth assessment. It's no secret he wasn't as fit as any of hese guys today but who in his era was? If you gave the players of yesteryear access to all of the supplements and weights and such as they have today, then I'm sure a lot of them -- including Ruth -- would be in a lot better shape. Ruth, just like all players, was a product of his time. It was perfectly acceptable for an athlete to do what he did and still go to the park the next day and play baseball. If he was born in _this_ era and raised in _this_ era, all of the influences would be different and he wouldn't be the 300lb man on a pair of chicken legs out there playing with a hangover.

            That's why I dislike all of the generation comparisons. It's not like in the 1920's they has modern science dabbling in supplements and gyms on every block of each major city. There was no weight training, treadmills, eliptical machines and stationary bikes. There were no fly machines and lat/row machines. So how can you discredit a generation for not being as fit as today's generation of ballplayers when they didn't have access to all of the same equipment?
            Thats always been my view on the subject, past stars and how they might perform in todays game. If we were to project how a past star would perform in todays game it's foolish to move them to a later era "as is". We would have to factor in the conditions of the time they would be living in today. It's for sure many would benefit from the advancements over the years.

            Lets can the "as is" and use some common sense, they would be using the same training methods, advancements in physical therapy, better nutrition and any other improvements available over the years.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Jose Reyes
              I think it would be a bad baseball move to sign him regardless of whether or not he cares about winning anymore. It would just be a bad move for the future to pay a ton of money for a 40+ year old who can barely run anymore just because he's approaching a record.
              Actually Barry Bonds was still one of the top 10 hitters in the NL this past season. His .454 OBP led the league and he had a very good .545 SLG. He can't run anymore, but he still will do alot for the team in the batter's box.

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              • #22
                http://www.baseballprospectus.com/un...666e24fa160b53

                It's mainly an opinion piece so take it for what you will. Just figured it fit in this thread.
                Bleeding Cardinal Red since 1985
                In the stands for every home playoff game since then -- 2006 and 2011 were well worth the wait!

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                • #23
                  What can I say? Maybe I'm full of hate.
                  I'm a Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech and a Hell of an Engineer!

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                  • #24
                    Of course I would want him on my team, he's still a big contributer and can win many games for you with his bat.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by ReignInBlood
                      Of course I would want him on my team, he's still a big contributer and can win many games for you with his bat.
                      And I wholeheartedly would not. He's only an above-average contributor at this point, and that's only when he's not injured. Then there is the distraction factor. This grand jury thing isn't going away any time soon, and that will be a huge distraction. If you think the guy is surly and aloof now, look out. Even at a discounted rate, he will still cost more than I believe he will be worth in the long run. Plus, I just don't like the dude.

                      No, I wouldn't want him on my team.
                      Always go to other people's funerals, otherwise they won't come to yours. - Yogi Berra

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Dodgerfan1
                        And I wholeheartedly would not. He's only an above-average contributor at this point, and that's only when he's not injured. Then there is the distraction factor. This grand jury thing isn't going away any time soon, and that will be a huge distraction. If you think the guy is surly and aloof now, look out. Even at a discounted rate, he will still cost more than I believe he will be worth in the long run. Plus, I just don't like the dude.

                        No, I wouldn't want him on my team.
                        Excuse me but he's still an above average batter who is tremendously feared by pitchers and will still get on base half of his plate appereances. Maybe in the NL he can give up a few runs because of his glove, but anyone in the AL should take him in a heartbeat.

                        Also, how can he hurt you more in the long run since he only has max. 2 years left in him?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by ReignInBlood
                          Excuse me but he's still an above average batter who is tremendously feared by pitchers and will still get on base half of his plate appereances. Maybe in the NL he can give up a few runs because of his glove, but anyone in the AL should take him in a heartbeat.

                          Also, how can he hurt you more in the long run since he only has max. 2 years left in him?
                          That's your opinion, and that's fine. I gave mine, and that is fine, as well.
                          Always go to other people's funerals, otherwise they won't come to yours. - Yogi Berra

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                          • #28
                            So Bonds signed with the Giants for 16 millions$!!!

                            I guessed the highest bid would be something around 8 millions$...

                            I failed. But thats waay too much. I hope the Giants will start to rebuild their team in 2008. They have the oldest team by far again in 2007.
                            I don't think Bonds is worth 16 mill$. He should have played DH on a AL-team.
                            I know you're watching, Si. Bu.

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