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    Just wondering what you guys thought about this. I dont like it just because he should have finished out with the White Sox. I dont like how players play all their career on one team and then go to another at the end of their career because they dont want them back.
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  • #2
    Originally posted by Cubsfan97
    Just wondering what you guys thought about this. I dont like it just because he should have finished out with the White Sox. I dont like how players play all their career on one team and then go to another at the end of their career because they dont want them back.
    So he is supposed to retire since the White Sox dont want him? Even though he tore it up last season when he was able to play

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    • #3
      There are a lot of great players who finished their career with other teams after being a "franchise player" for another team. Most notably:

      Babe Ruth
      Lou Boudreau
      Hank Greenberg
      Harmon Killebrew
      Juan Marichal

      not to mention players in other sports who did that, like:

      Joe Montana
      Patrick Ewing
      Hakeem Olajuwon

      I hope Jeff Bagwell can find a team who's interested in his so he isn't forced into retirement.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by hudsonharden
        There are a lot of great players who finished their career with other teams after being a "franchise player" for another team. Most notably:

        Babe Ruth
        Lou Boudreau
        Hank Greenberg
        Harmon Killebrew
        Juan Marichal

        not to mention players in other sports who did that, like:

        Joe Montana
        Patrick Ewing
        Hakeem Olajuwon

        I hope Jeff Bagwell can find a team who's interested in his so he isn't forced into retirement.
        ADD:
        Ty Cobb
        Willie Mays
        Hank Aaron
        Yogi Berra
        Warren Spahn

        Bob

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        • #5
          He looks awesome in green!
          Between Nick Swisher and Eric Chavez he should be great!:o
          Cristobal

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          • #6
            no I mean the Sox should have resigned him. HE should by no standards retire right away. I just wish the Sox would have resigned him. And I just dont like players who do end up switching at the end of their careers. To me switching teams after so long is like living in a city where your favorite baseball player is then moving 2000 miles away 20 years later.
            "I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher."
            -Rogers Hornsby-

            "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
            -Rogers Hornsby-

            Just a note to all the active members of BBF, I consider all of you the smartest baseball people I have ever communicated with and love everyday I am on here. Thank you all!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Cubsfan97
              no I mean the Sox should have resigned him. HE should by no standards retire right away. I just wish the Sox would have resigned him. And I just dont like players who do end up switching at the end of their careers. To me switching teams after so long is like living in a city where your favorite baseball player is then moving 2000 miles away 20 years later.

              Thomas criticized Jerry Reinsdorf and the White Sox for a lack of loyalty.

              But His skills have diminished, a lot, I think it was smart of the sox not to resign him, although I'm not sure how good of a signing thome was.

              Anyway, here's an interesting article written about thomas and his recent situation.

              http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&oi=ne...s/13735957.htm

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              • #8
                i think that oakland got itself a good deal.
                hopefully, more fans'll get out to that park and get behind the franchise. it is well-deserving.
                "you don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. just get people to stop reading them." -ray bradbury

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                • #9
                  Reminds me of another Chicago baseball legend who finished the tail end of his HOF career in Oakland.I'm talking about Billy Williams.

                  Only without all the drama

                  If Thomas can stay healthy,and be productive hitting between Chavez and Swisher,that A's lineup can be even more dangerous.

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                  • #10
                    Frank Thomas was a franchise player, and I would prefer that he stayed there until the end (like another franchise DH we all know of *wink, wink*), but from what I can tell, it was more the White Sox who didn't want to sign him, I will live with it, and I hope that the Big Hurt will have at least another good year to finish it out.

                    He has lost a lot of his hitting ability, but it is not completely gone, and if you look at what he did in a minimal amount of AB's last year, it was still good. Anyone who has a .590 Slg. I don't really like the .210 BA, but in a way that makes the .590 Slg even better, as he had a .371 IsoSlg! And half of his hits were HR's. So even if he is a pinch hitter, he could be a useful tool for any team, and if he can reclaim a bit of BA while keeping up at least some of his power, and stay injury free, he could be very good. I would stress that he keep that power, as him hitting .300 with a lot of singles wouldn't work for him, as he is so bad on the bases, and any chances taken to run (not that the A's are into the running game), would be detrimental to his health.
                    Last edited by Edgartohof; 01-28-2006, 07:15 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Edgartohof
                      He has lost a lot of his hitting ability, but it is not completely gone, and if you look at what he did in a minimal amount of AB's last year, it was still good. Anyone who has a .590 Slg. I don't really like the .210 BA, but in a way that makes the .590 Slg even better, as he had a .371 IsoSlg!
                      Ironically, you didn't seem to accept that logic when I was using it to argue Jim Wynn was indeed a great slugger.

                      Anyway, Iagree with Edgar that this is a great signing for the A's. Thomas is still an elite slugger and he walks a ton for a great OBP. He has lost his contact hitting ability at this point in his career, but that doesn't mean he isn't still a very good hitter. I'm glad Frank is still in the league. He's always been one of my favorites.

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                      • #12
                        Looking at thomas 05 stats he did hit 12 bombs in 34 games, a much better pace than the pace thome was at lastyear.

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                        • #13
                          Injury free

                          Junior finally had a season last year when he wasn't plagued by a myriad of injuries, and I see no reason why big Frank couldn't bounce back and make the southsiders wish they'd kept him. This is nothing but good for Oakland who have been trying to get more offense at a reasonable price. Early on in the other thread about the big name stars not yet under contract, I mentioned I hoped more players would accept Andre Dawson type terms, and play for primarily incentives, which is exactly what Hurt and Piazza seem to be doing. While I'm glad Thomas has his WS ring, I think the White Sox did him dirty, not by refusing to re-sign him, but rather for the fact that he found out through the media, instead of from management. Reinsdorf isn't the only classless slob in that organization, or someone, anyone with a pair of huevos would have the courtesy of calling him before it hit the papers. Best of luck in '06 to two time AL MVP Frank Thomas, and the Oakland A's. Could be quite a race out there with the Angels of wherever, A's, the likely improved Mariners and how 'bout them Rangers? C'mon ST, regular season, play Ball!

                          I was also reminded, in reading some of these other posts, of how one Jackie Robinson retired rather than play for the hated Giants, voiding the trade made on Dec. 13th, 1956. Although I do wish I had the opportunity to see him play in '57-'58 and beyond, his skills were still mostly intact, it would just be darn near impossible to see him in anything but the Brooklyn #42 uniform.
                          Last edited by trosmok; 01-30-2006, 09:49 AM.
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                          • #14
                            The ironic thing to me is that they let Big Frank go, and then sign Jim "Oh my aching Back" Thome.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Astro
                              So he is supposed to retire since the White Sox dont want him? Even though he tore it up last season when he was able to play
                              Didn't he hit .219 last year?
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