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    Here is a story I found, even though it deals directly with the Marlins, I wanted to get everyones input on this topic.

    http://sports.myway.com/news/02062006/v8542.html

    Let's discuss the ups and downs of this topic..


    New Marlins Manager Says No to Facial Hair

    Feb 6, 3:55 PM (ET)

    By STEVEN WINE


    HOLLYWOOD, Fla. (AP) - Now that the Florida Marlins have trimmed their payroll, facial hair is next.

    New manager Joe Girardi wants to see no goatees, mustaches or beards when players begin reporting for spring training Feb. 18.

    A former catcher with the New York Yankees, Girardi liked owner George Steinbrenner's rule that permitted neatly trimmed mustaches but no beards or shaggy hair. Girardi's policy of no facial hair will be even stricter, and a first for the Marlins.

    "I want players to look neat and responsible," Girardi said at a media luncheon Monday. "Maybe it's old school. But it's kind of neat when people are always clean, and I like it."

    At 41, Girardi is the successor to 75-year-old Jack McKeon and part of a youth movement for the Marlins, who unloaded seven everyday starters, two starting pitchers and their closer to reduce the payroll.

    Battling for the vacated jobs in spring training will be plenty of prospects. Some of them might struggle to grow a beard, even if allowed.

    "I don't have too much facial hair, so unfortunately for me, it's not an option," said first baseman Mike Jacobs, stroking his smooth chin. "If the manager has certain things he wants his way, you have to go with it."

    Girardi said his players have laughed about the rule, and he expects little resistance. He said he'll likely always prohibit facial hair, even with a veteran team.

    "You have a responsibility of what you look like," he said. "You find out which players want to be disciplined in the little things. And if you can be disciplined in the little things, a lot of times you can be disciplined in the big things."

    Pitchers and catchers report to the training complex in Jupiter on Feb. 18, with the rest of the squad to follow by the 21st. The first full-squad workout is Feb. 23.

    Expectations are similar to 1998, when another salary purge sent the Marlins reeling to a 108-loss season a year after they won the World Series. Mike Lowell, Josh Beckett, A.J. Burnett, Carlos Delgado, Luis Castillo and Juan Pierre are among those to depart since last season.

    Still, Girardi is raring to go.

    "I can't wait," he said. "Baseball is a passion of mine. You take a month off, and then you miss it. I find myself watching the Caribbean World Series on TV, and there probably aren't a ton of people doing that. But I love the game.

    "You manage the club you have. A lot of kids will have a lot of opportunities."

    They just won't have beards.
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  • #2
    As an avid Boston Red Sox fan, I couldn't agree with Joe Girardi more.
    "Anything less would not have been worthy of me. Anything more would not have been possible." - Carl Yastrzemski

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    • #3
      Nice move by Girardi to let the players know there has been a change in management.
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      • #4
        And being clean shaven is going to make them better baseball players.....:noidea I don't think so. What is Girardi really trying to prove??
        Last edited by DownUnderDodger; 02-06-2006, 04:12 PM.
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        • #5
          Well, I'm probably in the minority here, but I think that's just silly. What difference does it make if the guy has long hair, short, beard, a moustache like Rollie Fingers or anything? If someone took over the place where I work and told me that I had to get my hair cut just so, I'd tell them where to head in.

          As long as they're clean, what difference does it make whether they're clean-shaven or not? Sheesh...
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          • #6
            Originally posted by VTSoxFan
            Well, I'm probably in the minority here, but I think that's just silly. What difference does it make if the guy has long hair, short, beard, a moustache like Rollie Fingers or anything? If someone took over the place where I work and told me that I had to get my hair cut just so, I'd tell them where to head in.

            As long as they're clean, what difference does it make whether they're clean-shaven or not? Sheesh...
            I agree, it is a bit much..

            I think this is a way for Joe to remind everyone he was a Yankee...

            Get over yourself.

            I must say, it might be a bit of a double standard... but when you shave and cut your hair to be a yankee... that is one thing... But to be allow to be on the Marlins?

            Come on...

            And that is not to be mean to the Marlins organization, by no means... but that rule is silly.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by DownUnderDodger
              And being clean shaven is going to make them better baseball players.....:noidea I don't think so. What is Girardi really trying to prove??
              That he wishes he was still in New York...
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              • #8
                Originally posted by VTSoxFan
                Well, I'm probably in the minority here, but I think that's just silly. What difference does it make if the guy has long hair, short, beard, a moustache like Rollie Fingers or anything? If someone took over the place where I work and told me that I had to get my hair cut just so, I'd tell them where to head in.

                As long as they're clean, what difference does it make whether they're clean-shaven or not? Sheesh...
                I think that women would be exempt from this rule.

                Seriously, if that goes in hand with no craziness in the clubhouse, getting there on time, no crazy statements to the media, I'm for it.

                Since they've about gotten rid of all the vets, Girardi may have lower resistance to the new set of rules.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mattingly
                  I think that women would be exempt from this rule.

                  Seriously, if that goes in hand with no craziness in the clubhouse, getting there on time, no crazy statements to the media, I'm for it.

                  Since they've about gotten rid of all the vets, Girardi may have lower resistance to the new set of rules.
                  This is something I thought about, if I was an established player, I would say..

                  WHO ARE YOU AGAIN?

                  hehe
                  but then again... most of them are gone, as you said..
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by CubsHub
                    This is something I thought about, if I was an established player, I would say..

                    WHO ARE YOU AGAIN?

                    hehe
                    but then again... most of them are gone, as you said..
                    If the lower hair is a big part of his being a very good manager who runs a tight ship, I'll go along with it. If he essentially bails out during interviews after some 10-2 loss, or if he's seen as not taking responsibility for things he's done, I think the "lead by example" thing will be seen and even the young guys will turn against him.

                    If he acts like a responsible person, gives his team many very good opportunities to win, comes out in support of his players, looks after them to see that their weaknesses are pointed out and sets methods to improve upon them, I'd say the haircut as one of several things that may turn out good.

                    All I'm saying is that it has to be more than just a haircut per se. This isn't the military, and even if it were, you wouldn't have a military cut, then have a soiled and ruffled uniform and (sin of all sins) unshined shoes. Everything has to work together.
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                    • #11
                      I like Girardi's idea. Too many young players, and young people for that matter, are extremely undisciplined. This is one way to show respect for the game and for your team, while following a simple rule. I have to be clean-shaven for my job, and it feels good. It looks more professional, too. That is what I think Girardi is trying to do, establish somewhat of a professionalism with his team - after all, they will be shopping for a new home VERY soon and need to look their best for prospective cities!
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by sickle
                        I like Girardi's idea. Too many young players, and young people for that matter, are extremely undisciplined. This is one way to show respect for the game and for your team, while following a simple rule. I have to be clean-shaven for my job, and it feels good. It looks more professional, too. That is what I think Girardi is trying to do, establish somewhat of a professionalism with his team - after all, they will be shopping for a new home VERY soon and need to look their best for prospective cities!
                        There's some old saying that it takes longer to teach an old dog than to school a young pup. I'm thinking that's the way it'll work in Florida. I don't know the average age of the players, but at least the hi-priced guys are gone.

                        Since there are certain things you don't do to a young player, such as leaving him on the bench too long, I figure that instilling respect for the game could be a good start. If they were to call him "Mr Girardi" the same way that Derek Jeter calls Joe Torre "Mr Torre", I think that would be another good thing. It's not like he's king or anything, but running a tight ship requires certain rules. No rules leads to being being lax, just as they can be this way in life and/or on the diamond.

                        Now let's see if those well-shorn guys can win a few games and make a run for the playoffs.
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                        • #13
                          What would Girardi do if someone hit him with the Nazerite Vow? Numbers, Chapter 6. Or, if he got an extremely orthodox Jew on his team that didn't believe in allowing a razor to touch his head. Just a silly thought but, really, as an avid baseball fan that has dreadlocks and doesn't shave - I see this more as a power trip than an actual aim to do something that improves the quality of baseball in Florida. I think the quality of baseball may be a bit more important than facial hair.


                          Joe Girardi on the end of The Marlin's 2006 campaign: "Hey, we lost 100 games, but, we looked good doing it!"

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Brannu
                            What would Girardi do if someone hit him with the Nazerite Vow? Numbers, Chapter 6. Or, if he got an extremely orthodox Jew on his team that didn't believe in allowing a razor to touch his head. Just a silly thought but, really, as an avid baseball fan that has dreadlocks and doesn't shave - I see this more as a power trip than an actual aim to do something that improves the quality of baseball in Florida. I think the quality of baseball may be a bit more important than facial hair.


                            Joe Girardi on the end of The Marlin's 2006 campaign: "Hey, we lost 100 games, but, we looked good doing it!"
                            That would be a religious exception. There are many Orthodox Jews with long beards. I think it's mostly the ultra-Orthodox like the Satmar, Hasidic, Lubbavitcher and such who have the longer beards, wear the tassels, etc, but they'd surely wear a yarmulke. Would they wear a yarmulke under their cap or in lieu of one?

                            Having grown up in Brooklyn, I've seen Orthodox Jews as well as many dreadlocked men (and a few women as well). Flatbush, Brooklyn has many West Indians, so that's nothing unique to me. As to their being in baseball, I'm wondering if there's a precedent.

                            I presume that most players are not ultra-Orthodox Jewish, nor the many Arabs who also have long beards, nor the dreadlocked Jamaican and other West Indian men, nor the Indians or Pakistanis who wear turbans. I'm sure I've missed a few, but can't go on forever. Oh yeah, the Amish in Pennsylvania also have beards.

                            Unless it interferes with religious worship, I don't see the cutting of the beard as a problem.
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                            • #15
                              Hardly any of the Marlins are old enough to grow a beard anyway.
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