Angels vs Anaheim trial

[Jake83]

Has Orange County finally became its own metropolitian area nationally or is Orange County still a LA suburb is the major question of this trial. This may be the first time a surburban area has tried to grow out of the shadow or a larger metropolitian area.

If the city of Anaheim wins the case will other suburban cities like Arlington with the Texas Rangers and others force organization to place their name on a club's title.

[Bluesteve32]

Orange County is suburban in its very nature and is dependant on LA for its economic, transportation, and communication for its affluence and survival. Do you find the newstand in LA carrying the Orange County Register? No! But you find the newstands in OC carry the Los Angeles Times.

This is the little brother wanting to say it is just like its big brither and a bit of "urban envy."

[AnaheimAngelsFan]

Has Orange County finally became its own metropolitian area nationally or is Orange County still a LA suburb is the major question of this trial. This may be the first time a surburban area has tried to grow out of the shadow or a larger metropolitian area.

If the city of Anaheim wins the case will other suburban cities like Arlington with the Texas Rangers and others force organization to place their name on a club's title.

It doesn't matter, unless the Rangers' signed a contract with Arlington stating that Arlington will be in the official name of the team. It's all about the contract, what's in it, and what was intent of the signers of it when they agreed to the clause stating the city's name. It really has NOTHING to do with the LA market or the OC market, in my humble opinion.

[Jake83]

It doesn't matter, unless the Rangers' signed a contract with Arlington stating that Arlington will be in the official name of the team. It's all about the contract, what's in it, and what was intent of the signers of it when they agreed to the clause stating the city's name. It really has NOTHING to do with the LA market or the OC market, in my humble opinion.

The contract was verbal nothing was every placed on paper

OC Market is under the sphere of influence of LA

[Bluesteve32]

OC Market is under the sphere of influence of LA

Don't tell any "Anahomers" that!

[AnaheimAngelsFan]

Anaheim Whatevers

The contract was verbal nothing was every placed on paper

OC Market is under the sphere of influence of LA

What contract are you talking about? Are you saying that the Rangers verbally told the city of Arlington that they would use their name? Or are you asserting that Anaheim and the Angels had no such written agreement? If it's the former, this is the first I have heard of it. If it's the latter, it IS in writing, and that's what the lawsuit is about. Disney agreed, in writing, to include "Anaheim" in the official name of the team. The INTENT of the signers of the contract was to either call them the Anaheim Angels or the Angels of Anaheim, or even as Disney CEO Michael Eisner supposedly preferred, the (gulp) the Mighty Angels of Anaheim. Either way, "Anaheim" is the only location the signers intended to include in the official name.

As a fan of the Angels, I don't REALLY care. I am happy that Arte Moreno has given us an MVP (Guerrero) and Cy Young (Colon) winners, a perenniel contender, and an exciting team to watch. He can call them whatever he wants.

But as a resident of Anaheim, if the city has invested millions of dollars in the stadium, and signed a contract with the team that says they MUST be called the Anaheim "whatevers," then they should be called the Anaheim Whatevers. Or Whatevers of Anaheim.

[bluezebra]

"The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim" not only sounds stupid, it has to be one of the worst public relations gaffes of all time.

1.."Do you find the newstand in LA carrying the Orange County Register?"
Yes, if you look in the right newstands. I can buy the New York Times in my area, but that doesn't make the Southern California High Desert area a suburb of New York.

2.."Has Orange County finally became its own metropolitian area nationally or is Orange County still a LA suburb is the major question of this trial."

OC has over 3,000,000 population, not exactly suburban figures. Anaheim is at about 350,000. Again not suburban stats.

3..Anaheim is 26 miles from Los Angeles. That's quite a distance for a suburb.

Bob

[Mattingly]

"The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim" not only sounds stupid, it has to be one of the worst public relations gaffes of all time.

Agreed. The City of Angels having a team called the Angels makes it doubly idiotic to me.

1.."Do you find the newstand in LA carrying the Orange County Register?"
Yes, if you look in the right newstands. I can buy the New York Times in my area, but that doesn't make the Southern California High Desert area a suburb of New York.

The NY Times is a national publication and is often found well outside of the NY/NJ/CT area. It competes with USA Today. I could find it in Georgia just as I could in NYC.

I think what Steve was trying to say is that Anaheim would likely have its own newspapers, since it's in Orange County, rather than its trying to be a part of Los Angeles County.

3..Anaheim is 26 miles from Los Angeles. That's quite a distance for a suburb.

Bob

There are parts of Long Island (such as Montauk, which is all the way out) that must be 100 miles away from NYC, yet all of Long Island is considered a suburb of NYC.

I've always considered a "suburb" to be a minor city or cities near a major metropolitan area. By this, Yonkers would be a suburb of NYC, since it's pretty near the Bronx.

[bluezebra]

Agreed. The City of Angels having a team called the Angels makes it doubly idiotic to me.

The NY Times is a national publication and is often found well outside of the NY/NJ/CT area. It competes with USA Today. I could find it in Georgia just as I could in NYC.

I think what Steve was trying to say is that Anaheim would likely have its own newspapers, since it's in Orange County, rather than its trying to be a part of Los Angeles County.

There are parts of Long Island (such as Montauk, which is all the way out) that must be 100 miles away from NYC, yet all of Long Island is considered a suburb of NYC.

I've always considered a "suburb" to be a minor city or cities near a major metropolitan area. By this, Yonkers would be a suburb of NYC, since it's pretty near the Bronx.

I worked in the LA office of a New York-based company, and they thought everyplace west of the Colorado River was LA.

Bob

[Mattingly]

I worked in the LA office of a New York-based company, and they thought everyplace west of the Colorado River was LA.

Bob

I'm not too sure where the Colorado River is, nor how close it is to LA, but Colorado is a few states over. Had they at least said Nevada or Utah ... uhhhhhhhh, let's see.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.karenika.com/50states/map_us.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.karenika.com/50states/&h=330&w=490&sz=13&tbnid=aTz6VDnYVSQJ:&tbnh=85&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmap%2B50%2Bstates%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D&oi=imagesr&start=1

http://www.kaibab.org/misc/gc_coriv.htm

Had they at least said that everything west of the Colorado River (presuming it's actually in the State of Colorado) was a suburb, I could ... no, I couldn't even go that far, since "suburb" to be only counts neighboring states. That's like my saying that Greenwich, CT and Newark, NJ are both suburbs of NYC. To me, they are. New if you'd said Philadelphia, PA, that'd be another story.

Still, unless the Angels play within the City or County of Los Angeles, or unless Orange County was considered a part of Los Angeles proper, I don't think it's OK to include the "Los Angeles" in there, merely because of prior affiliation with that specific city/county.

So long as the LA Dodgers don't call themselves the Beverly Hills Dodgers or the Hollywood Dodgers, I'm fine.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

I worked in the LA office of a New York-based company, and they thought everyplace west of the Colorado River was LA.

Bob

So ElHalo worked for you?

[Mattingly]

So ElHalo worked for you?

Hey, he/she said *LOS ANGELES*, not another country. EH probably thinks that Alaska's on another planet or something.

[Bluesteve32]

I worked in the LA office of a New York-based company, and they thought everyplace west of the Colorado River was LA.

Bob

Glendora and Walnut are about 26 miles from Los Angeles, are those cities not suburbs of Los Angeles? Arcadia is 15 miles NW of LA and is certainly a suburb of LA, and since Glendora and Walnut are in the SGV, which has several cities over 100,000 (Pasadena, West Covina, El Monte) and many more over 50,000 (Baldwin Park, Arcadia, Alhambra, Rosemead, Monterey Park, Hacienda Heights) and I would consider all of this a suburb of Los Angeles. Why does a county line that follows not specific natrual boundary (LA-Orange County) mean so much when the city of New York consists of five counties by itself?

Victorville and Phelan are, by the US Census, are part of the Riverside-San Bernardino MSA and which is also part of Los Angeles CMSA. I would not call SB, Riverside, Victorville and especially Phelan (Yes I know of your town and used to drive down Lone Pine Canyon Road full throttle out of Wrightwood.) "suburbs" of LA, but are certainly in the Los Angeles' "sphere of infulence" as opposed to San Diego's, Phoenix's, or Las Vegas's.