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    BigStellyPADRES4LIFE
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  • BigStellyPADRES4LIFE
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    Originally posted by digglahhh
    I think its fair to include Prior. His inclusion isn't based on "potential." We have seen him pitch to that potential for an entire his season. Prior at his peak is surely better than just about all these other guys at theirs. Its not all about the stats either, he's got perfect mechanics and command of multiple pitches. A healthy Prior is plain scary, and at his peak I don't think any of the newer guys besides Halladay and Santana are as good.
    What has he done the past 2 years? Yeah he had one great year, but he hasnt done squat the past two years and this is CURRENT, not what he could do. There is no way around it, a vote for Prior is one for potential.

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  • Yankee Legend
    CC, spice & evrythin nice

  • Yankee Legend
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    Final Results of the Current Top 10 Position Polls

    Catchers http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=37328
    1. Victor Martinez
    2. Jason Varitek
    3. Joe Mauer
    4. Jorge Posada
    5. Ivan Rodriguez
    6. Ramon Hernandez
    6. Bengie Molina
    8. Mike Matheny
    9. Michael Barrett
    10. Paul Lo Duca

    First Basemen http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=37484
    1. Albert Pujols
    2. Derek Lee
    3. Mark Teixeira
    4. Carlos Delgado
    5. Todd Helton
    6. Paul Konerko
    7. Jason Giambi
    8. Lance Berkman
    9. Richie Sexson
    10. Jim Thome

    Second Basemen http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=37609
    1. Jeff Kent
    2. Alfonso Soriano
    3. Marcus Giles
    4. Brian Roberts
    5. Chase Utley
    6. Placido Polanco
    7. Robinson Cano
    7. Luis Castillo
    9. Craig Biggio
    10. Mark Loretta

    Third Basemen http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=37793
    1. Alex Rodriguez
    2. Scott Rolen
    3. Miguel Cabrera
    4. David Wright
    5. Eric Chavez
    6. Morgan Ensberg
    7. Aramis Ramirez
    8. Troy Glaus
    9. Chipper Jones
    10. Melvin Mora

    Shortstops http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=37927
    1. Miguel Tejada
    2. Derek Jeter
    3. Michael Young
    4. Rafael Furcal
    5. Jhonny Peralta
    6. Jimmy Rollins
    7. David Eckstein
    8. Edgar Renteria
    8. Omar Vizquel
    10. Khalil Greene

    Right Fielders http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=38141
    1. Vladimir Guerrero
    2. Ichiro Suzuki
    3. Bobby Abreu
    4. Gary Sheffield
    5. Jose Guillen
    6. Brian Giles
    7. Jeff Francoeur
    8. Shawn Green
    9. Aubrey Huff
    10. Jermaine Dye

    Center Fielders http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=38452
    1. Andruw Jones
    2. Jim Edmonds
    3. Johnny Damon
    4. Carlos Beltran
    5. Torii Hunter
    6. Vernon Wells
    7. Brady Clark
    8. Ken Griffey Jr.
    9. Juan Pierre
    10. Grady Sizemore

    Left Fielders http://www.baseball-fever.com/showth...989#post464989
    1. Manny Ramirez
    2. Barry Bonds
    3. Jason Bay
    4. Hideki Matsui
    5. Miguel Cabrera
    6. Carl Crawford
    7. Cliff Floyd
    8. Pat Burrell
    9. Adam Dunn
    10. Scott Podsednik

    Middle Relievers http://www.baseball-fever.com/showth...863#post467863
    1. Scot Shileds
    2. Justin Duchscherer
    3. Kyle Farnsworth
    3. Tom Gordon
    5. Jesse Crain
    5. Julian Tavarez
    7. Yhency Brazoban
    8. Dannys Baez
    9. Cliff Politte
    10. Gary Majewski

    Closers http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=39064
    1. Mariano Rivera
    2. Brad Lidge
    3. Eric Gagne
    4. Billy Wagner
    5. Francisco Rodriguez
    6. Trevor Hoffman
    7. Joe Nathan
    8. Chad Cordero
    9. Jason Isringhausen
    10. Huston Street

    Starting Pitchers
    1. Johan Santana
    2. Roger Clemens
    3. Dontrelle Willis
    4. Pedro Martinez
    5. Roy Oswalt
    6. Roy Halliday
    7. Chris Carpenter
    8. Jake Peavy
    9. Randy Johnson
    10. Bartolo Colon

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  • Yankee Legend
    CC, spice & evrythin nice

  • Yankee Legend
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    The results are in:

    1. Johan Santana (141)
    2. Roger Clemens (105)
    3. Dontrelle Willis (103)
    4. Pedro Martinez (95)
    5. Roy Oswalt (80)
    6. Roy Halliday (70)
    7. Chris Carpenter (69)
    8. Jake Peavy (43)
    9. Randy Johnson (32)
    10. Bartolo Colon (26)

    11. Mark Buehrle (19)
    12. Greg Maddux (9)
    12. Andy Pettite (9)
    14. Mark Prior (5)
    15. John Smoltz (4)
    16. Rich Harden (3)
    17. Felix Hernandez (1)
    17. Tim Hudson (1)

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  • Yankee Legend
    CC, spice & evrythin nice

  • Yankee Legend
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    Voting Closed

    I was in Boston over the weekend so i couldnt post the results. Thank you all for participating in these little polls of mine. I'm sure you had an intereting time ranking today's elite. The results will be posted tomorrow at 10 AM.

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  • digglahhh
    Pedrophile/Food Metaphor

  • digglahhh
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    I think its fair to include Prior. His inclusion isn't based on "potential." We have seen him pitch to that potential for an entire his season. Prior at his peak is surely better than just about all these other guys at theirs. Its not all about the stats either, he's got perfect mechanics and command of multiple pitches. A healthy Prior is plain scary, and at his peak I don't think any of the newer guys besides Halladay and Santana are as good.

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  • Brannu
    I love this game

  • Brannu
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    Originally posted by STLCards2
    You can't have it both ways. If you were doing a list of which current pitchers have had the best careers, it would have looked more like this:

    1. Roger Clemens
    2. Greg Maddux
    3. Randy Johnson
    4. Pedro Martinez
    5. Tom Glavine
    6. Curt Schilling
    7. Kevin Brown
    8. Mike Mussina
    9. John Smoltz
    10.David Wells

    (6-8 are interchangable and Smoltz' closeing stats are not factored in)

    Your list tried to take in the best of both worlds.

    Your list would indicate that Bartolo Colon has had a better career than Glavine, or chris Carpenter has had a better career than Curt Schilling.
    You wanna know what the funny thing is... .... you're right! I'm not saying that because we are Cardinal comprades, but because your post directs my philosophical imperfections to a place that is egalitarian. However .... I'm not into take-backs. But, thanks for throwing up the mirror of my imperfections ... it is a catalyst to higher understanding. (I'm laughing at myself I hope you know.)

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  • Bothrops Atrox
    IDC/ZRC/NJC*/*

  • Bothrops Atrox
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    Originally posted by Brannu
    1. Roger Clemens
    2. Greg Maddux
    3. Randy Johnson
    4. Pedro Martinez
    5. Johann Santana
    6. Bartolo Colon
    7. Chris Carpenter
    8. Roy Oswalt
    9. Mark Prior
    10. Dontrelle Willis

    On this poll, I had to go beyond current and take history into account. Those top 4 are the best pitchers of our modern era ... those crowns must be earned by the younger guys - until they retire. I honesty believe that Mark Prior could be the best, but, injuries have plagued that amazing arm. Dontrelle needs another good year to make me a true believer. Although he was great last year.
    You can't have it both ways. If you were doing a list of which current pitchers have had the best careers, it would have looked more like this:

    1. Roger Clemens
    2. Greg Maddux
    3. Randy Johnson
    4. Pedro Martinez
    5. Tom Glavine
    6. Curt Schilling
    7. Kevin Brown
    8. Mike Mussina
    9. John Smoltz
    10.David Wells

    (6-8 are interchangable and Smoltz' closeing stats are not factored in)

    Your list tried to take in the best of both worlds.

    Your list would indicate that Bartolo Colon has had a better career than Glavine, or chris Carpenter has had a better career than Curt Schilling.

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  • Brannu
    I love this game

  • Brannu
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    Originally posted by BigStellyPADRES4LIFE
    Sometimes I wonder where your ideas for posts come from.... dude no jake Peavy... and ERA AND K Title under his belt and he is only 24....and what the hell has prior done recently....i know you said history but its CURRENT pitchers.
    I know, I know. However, I just could not post the top 10 without the legends. With them on the poll, it shortens my list. Like, if I didn't put Maddux on there, which I think he needs to be with over 300 wins, then that might have made room for Peavy. Actually, I could substitute Willis for Peavy. I'll keep Willis, though. As for Mark Prior ... healthy ... I think he is the best fight handed pitcher in the game. Hence his position on my top 10. If he's healthy this year, I'll bet money he wins 20 games. Peavy hasn't done that yet. Nor has he topped Prior's career high (18) in wins. Peavy is good, great even ... but, sorry, he didn't get in my top 10.

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  • Dasperp
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  • Dasperp
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    I don't think its that ridiculous to put Felix in the top 10. Most projection systems seem to have him at a 3.30 type ERA in the AL, which might be good enough to warrant a spot in the top 10. And there is a decent chance he'll be better than that. I haven't seen him pitch yet, but i've heard that he is just unreal, and his stats back it up. 8.22 K/9, a 3.35 K/BB ratio, and a 3.55 GB/FB from a 19 year old is absolutely insane. But the Mariners better be careful with him and try to hold him under 200 IP this year. Everyone talks about how drugs ruined Doc Gooden's career, but many believe it was more extreme overuse at a young age. He threw almost 750 innings before he was 22, and there's no question that had an adverse effect on his arm.

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  • Evangelion
    Baseball Fever Member

  • Evangelion
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    Halladay is real good when he's pitches, but his problem is that he keeps getting injured. He did have an ERA+ last year or 184 (?), and he did lead in complete games (5), so he was having a great season, but it was short, and you need your pitchers to last the whole season.
    Actually, he was only injuried in 04. In 05, he would have pitched the entire season, if he was hit by comebacker by some Texas Ranger, if I recall correctly. I don't think it's fair to slap the injury prone tag on him just yet.

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  • BigStellyPADRES4LIFE
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  • BigStellyPADRES4LIFE
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    Originally posted by Brannu
    1. Roger Clemens
    2. Greg Maddux
    3. Randy Johnson
    4. Pedro Martinez
    5. Johann Santana
    6. Bartolo Colon
    7. Chris Carpenter
    8. Roy Oswalt
    9. Mark Prior
    10. Dontrelle Willis

    On this poll, I had to go beyond current and take history into account. Those top 4 are the best pitchers of our modern era ... those crowns must be earned by the younger guys - until they retire. I honesty believe that Mark Prior could be the best, but, injuries have plagued that amazing arm. Dontrelle needs another good year to make me a true believer. Although he was great last year.
    Sometimes I wonder where your ideas for posts come from.... dude no jake Peavy... and ERA AND K Title under his belt and he is only 24....and what the hell has prior done recently....i know you said history but its CURRENT pitchers.

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  • Brannu
    I love this game

  • Brannu
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    1. Roger Clemens
    2. Greg Maddux
    3. Randy Johnson
    4. Pedro Martinez
    5. Johann Santana
    6. Bartolo Colon
    7. Chris Carpenter
    8. Roy Oswalt
    9. Mark Prior
    10. Dontrelle Willis

    On this poll, I had to go beyond current and take history into account. Those top 4 are the best pitchers of our modern era ... those crowns must be earned by the younger guys - until they retire. I honesty believe that Mark Prior could be the best, but, injuries have plagued that amazing arm. Dontrelle needs another good year to make me a true believer. Although he was great last year.

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  • Blackout
    Circle of Bosses

  • Blackout
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    but Felix will probably put up 30 games next year, Prior wont

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  • The Big C
    MSU! FINAL FOUR!

  • The Big C
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    Prior has more of a case for top 10 than Felix Hernandez at this point though...

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  • Edgartohof
    Registered User

  • Edgartohof
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    Originally posted by digglahhh
    May I ask what the Mark Buerhle fascination is about? Just curious. He's on like half of the ballots. He's on more ballots that Zambrano, Prior, Pettitte, etc. Don't get me wrong, he is a high quality pitcher, I just want to hear what some of you guys have to say about him. Maybe I'm missing something.
    Buerhle has been a very consistent pitcher, at a very good level, carrying a 128 ERA+, and had a 143 ERA+ last season (3rd in ERA in the AL last year), and has been a workhorse, leading the league in IP the last 2 seasons.

    Zambrano is good, and has a case as better, but I'd say step below

    Pettite is better, has a better career, and with what he did last year (174 ERA+), a career best 2.39 ERA.

    Prior doesn't have a case. His ERA+ the last two years have been 113 and 116, and hasn't pitched more than 170 innings, or started in 30 games. He could be good, but he has to be able to pitch the whole season be at the top.

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