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  • Cleveland Indians 20-game streak?

    No thread on this?

    Well, it's the top of the 6th right now, and the Indians are beating the Tigers 4-2. A win today puts the streak at 21-games, which is the highest for any team since World War II.

    New York Giants 1916 -- 26 games
    Chicago White Stockings 1880 -- 21 games
    Chicago Cubs 1935 -- 21 games

    Cleveland Indians 2017 -- 21 games?

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    There's been so debate about the 1916 Giants 26 game streak being a "unbeaten" streak and not a "winning" streak because of one tie game due to rain. When I was a kid the Giants' 26 game streak was always described as a "winning" streak. From what I understand back in 1916 tie games were replayed in their entirety. Does this mean that the stats from the tie game are not part of the official record?
    Last edited by Honus Wagner Rules; 09-13-2017, 12:48 PM.
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    • #3
      Congrats to the Cleveland Indians for setting a new American League record with their 21st straight win! Only the 1916 New York Giants are ahead of them.

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      • #4
        And 21 is obtained. Pretty impressive run by the Indians so far.
        46 wins to match last year's total

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        • #5
          During the win streak, Cleveland has a +103 run differential, which is better than that of 3/4 of MLB for the ENTIRE season.
          The Indians have had more 10 run leads during this streak than the Cleveland Browns have had 10 point leads in the last 4 years!
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            It has been fun to watch. I'm rooting for them, because it has been so historic.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
              There's been so debate about the 1916 Giants 26 game streak being a "unbeaten" streak and not a "winning" streak because of one tie game due to rain. When I was a kid the Giants' 26 game streak was always described as a "winning" streak. From what I understand back in 1916 tie games were replayed in their entirety. Does this mean that the stats from the tie game are not part of the official record?
              Stats from ties counted in the players records but not in the standings. Lou Gehrig's season stats are a good reference point of ties in the official record.

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              • #8
                I think if we want to get technical, the Giants' streak should be referred to as an "undefeated streak". And what the Indians have is, of course, is a "winning streak". And they've now tied the record for longest winning streak that used to solely belong to the '35 Cubs at 21 wins.
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                  Originally posted by Hammerin Hank View Post
                  I think if we want to get technical, the Giants' streak should be referred to as an "undefeated streak". And what the Indians have is, of course, is a "winning streak". And they've now tied the record for longest winning streak that used to solely belong to the '35 Cubs at 21 wins.
                  This is where I'm not understanding. When I was a kid the Giants streak was always considered the record. There was no mention of the tie. From what I've read online MLB and Elias Sports considers the Giants streak the record for the longest 'winning" streak.
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                  • #10
                    Today the tie wouldn't be an official game unless it was made up. That wasn't the case in 1916 when tie games weren't uncommon.

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                    • #11
                      Tom Verducci expressed my sentiments on MLB Now the other day. The 26 game streak is an unbeaten streak. It is not a "winning" streak.

                      The 2017 won 21 consecutive games, tying the 1935 Cubs for the most consecutive wins. AFAIC, these two teams hold the MLB record.
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                      • #12
                        Interesting stat: 1916 Giants win streak was ALL part of a 31 game homestand. The '16 Giants 2 months earlier had one 17 in a row, all on the road. The '16 Giants began the season 2-13. They finished 87-67 and in 4th place.
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                          Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post

                          This is where I'm not understanding. When I was a kid the Giants streak was always considered the record. There was no mention of the tie. From what I've read online MLB and Elias Sports considers the Giants streak the record for the longest 'winning" streak.
                          It is still a record. It's just different wording. Either way, it's no less impressive. The streaks of starting pitchers are recorded the same way. Winning streaks are consecutive starts where they earn the win. An undefeated streak is consecutive starts without a loss (either a win or a no-decision).

                          Obviously, it's up for debate depending on who you ask. I guess it's not one of those things where we can come to a collective agreement.

                          You know, I'm actually looking up the longest winning streaks by a pitcher right now and it seems that people generally use "winning streak" in place of "undefeated streak" to describe those too. I guess that's fine. I wouldn't do it because I value concision, but I guess they think people just get the idea of what they mean when they say, "so-and-so had a winning streak of x-amount of games"...

                          I bet I'm in the minority on this one.

                          Jake Arrieta had a 23-game undefeated streak in 2015-16. Most people would describe that as a winning streak, it looks like. However, the longest streak he had in which he earned a win was 9. So it feel like an inaccurate description to me. In fact, the first start of his undefeated streak was a no-decision. The Cubs did win the game. But since he earned his first win in his next start does that mean his "winning streak" is only 22 games?
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                            Originally posted by Chadwick View Post
                            Tom Verducci expressed my sentiments on MLB Now the other day. The 26 game streak is an unbeaten streak. It is not a "winning" streak.

                            The 2017 won 21 consecutive games, tying the 1935 Cubs for the most consecutive wins. AFAIC, these two teams hold the MLB record.
                            MLB and Elias Sports Bureau say otherwise. Both have stated publicly that the 1916 Giants streak is the longest "winning" streak. I remember in the late 1970's reading about the Giants streak and it was always called the longest "winning" streak. From what I understand in 1916 tie games were replayed in their entirely and the tie game basically is erased from history, as it never happened in regards to the standings. In the case of the 1916 Giants the tie game was made up the following day, which the Giants won of course. The 1916 New York Giants historically and officially have the longest winning streak in baseball history.

                            https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...nds/667687001/
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                            • #15
                              Even though there was a tie in there, the Giants went from 59-62 (4th place) on September 6 to 85-62 (still in 4th place) on September 30. That's a 26-0 record where I come from. A 26 game winning streak. Ties may have meant something in the stats of the day. But bref gives the Giants record as 86-66, not 86-66-3. I'll count the streak as the record as I always have. If you want to be picky, it was a 27 game unbeaten streak.
                              I did always find it interesting that they didn't move up with in the standings during the streak.
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