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    First baseman Paul Goldschmidt has been traded from Arizona to St. Louis in exchange for right-hander Luke Weaver, catcher Carson Kelly, minor league infielder Andy Young and a Competitive Balance Round B selection in next year’s draft. Goldschmidt, 31, is heading into his final season of club control and stands to earn $14.5MM next season before reaching free agency next winter. The six-time All-Star rebounded from an awful start to the 2018 campaign to finish with a brilliant .290/.389/.533 line through 690 plate appearances.

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  • #2
    Kudos to St. Louis. This is their biggest acquisition in more than a decade. This will also keep Goldy in the MVP conversation next year.
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    • #3
      Wow, maybe I wasn't paying attention, but I never saw this coming. Everyone has been talking about Harper and Machado, but Goldie is certainly in their league as a hitter, though of course quite a bit older.

      But he's a FA next year, so not clear whether the Cardinals will have him long. Entering FA at that age, he's unlikely to get a monster contract. Five years, I would think.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Chadwick View Post
        Kudos to St. Louis. This is their biggest acquisition in more than a decade. This will also keep Goldy in the MVP conversation next year.
        Yes. Very easy to fly under the radar in AZ unless you're K-ing 300+ on the regular with no-hitters and perfectos thrown in the mix. Or hitting 57 homers. Oh, and doing the entire baseball world a massive favor by preventing the Yankees from (ugh) four-peating.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Chadwick View Post
          Kudos to St. Louis. This is their biggest acquisition in more than a decade. This will also keep Goldy in the MVP conversation next year.
          The Matt Holliday acquisition was slightly less than a decade ago, that's the last really big name that I can remember.
          My top 10 players:

          1. Babe Ruth
          2. Barry Bonds
          3. Ty Cobb
          4. Ted Williams
          5. Willie Mays
          6. Alex Rodriguez
          7. Hank Aaron
          8. Honus Wagner
          9. Lou Gehrig
          10. Mickey Mantle

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          • #6
            Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post

            The Matt Holliday acquisition was slightly less than a decade ago, that's the last really big name that I can remember.
            Ozuna even though he stinks. The acquired Smoltz at the end. I feel like we're forgetting someone. Anyhow, Goldschmidt seems like a perfect fit.
            "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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            • #7
              Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post

              Ozuna even though he stinks. The acquired Smoltz at the end. I feel like we're forgetting someone. Anyhow, Goldschmidt seems like a perfect fit.
              Well if you include free agent signings there's Berkman and Beltran, though both were past their primes (Berkman ended up having a great season for them anyway and they would not have won the World Series without him. Definitely one of the best signings by any team in recent memory).
              My top 10 players:

              1. Babe Ruth
              2. Barry Bonds
              3. Ty Cobb
              4. Ted Williams
              5. Willie Mays
              6. Alex Rodriguez
              7. Hank Aaron
              8. Honus Wagner
              9. Lou Gehrig
              10. Mickey Mantle

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              • #8
                Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post

                Well if you include free agent signings there's Berkman and Beltran, though both were past their primes (Berkman ended up having a great season for them anyway and they would not have won the World Series without him. Definitely one of the best signings by any team in recent memory).
                Yea that's right they were free agents.
                "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post

                  Ozuna even though he stinks. The acquired Smoltz at the end. I feel like we're forgetting someone. Anyhow, Goldschmidt seems like a perfect fit.
                  Ozuna was worth 3 WAR last year playing with one shoulder. Making 9 million dollars. I wouldn't call that "stinking." In terms of monetary value and who they gave up for him, he was a frickin' steal.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post

                    Well if you include free agent signings there's Berkman and Beltran, though both were past their primes (Berkman ended up having a great season for them anyway and they would not have won the World Series without him. Definitely one of the best signings by any team in recent memory).
                    Traded for Heyward who put up a 6 WAR season in 2015.
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                    • #11
                      I think it was a good move. The cards always had a lot of depth of 1-3 Win players but they lacked the 4+ Win players to compete with the cubs and even with the wc they always fall short a little. If they can acquire another 2-3 wins they have a good shot at least for the wc.

                      currently fg depth charts only have them one win behind the cubs (87 to 88) but of course they cubs will make some moves too. They cubs might not be a super team anymore through. They are still good and probably have the best offense after the Dodgers but their pitching is in decline. They will still make moves but their farm gets weaker and they have a high payroll already. May be 91 wins or so are enough to win the central next year and with a few moves and more health luck the cards can get there.
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                      • #12
                        From FiveThirtyEight...

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                        Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                        • #13
                          From a rival's perspective, another shrewd trade by the Cards. OTOH, I don't understand what the D-Backs are doing. Goldschmidt has definitely made the Redbirds a lot better and the whole NL Central division race more competitive, which means more exciting (albeit nerve wracking) baseball for Cards, Brewers and Cubs fans. The Pirates could even be a sleeper team that sneaks into the divisional race as well.

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                          • #14
                            I think Goldschmidt is the best player (with regards to future value) of anyone they've traded for since Scott Rolen. I had forgotten about Matt Holliday, however so there's him instead, perhaps.
                            "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                            "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                            "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                            "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post

                              Ozuna was worth 3 WAR last year playing with one shoulder. Making 9 million dollars. I wouldn't call that "stinking." In terms of monetary value and who they gave up for him, he was a frickin' steal.
                              Well. When you put it like that. I don't know I thought the perception was he was a disappointment. He obviously was a steal.

                              Originally posted by 3rdGenCub View Post
                              From a rival's perspective, another shrewd trade by the Cards. OTOH, I don't understand what the D-Backs are doing. Goldschmidt has definitely made the Redbirds a lot better and the whole NL Central division race more competitive, which means more exciting (albeit nerve wracking) baseball for Cards, Brewers and Cubs fans. The Pirates could even be a sleeper team that sneaks into the divisional race as well.
                              The expansion teams (especially the 90's) are all going to be glorified farm teams basically forever. I'm sure Goldschmidt is ready to play for a real franchise.
                              Last edited by bluesky5; 12-06-2018, 07:42 PM.
                              "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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