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Kyler Murray: MLB or NFL?

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  • #16
    Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
    Murray's scouting report going into the 2018 MLB draft.

    ************************************************** ************************************************** ****
    Kyler Murray

    His arm has regressed on the diamond and currently plays below average.

    ???

    That surprises me. It looked pretty good on the football field.

    This week's Giant

    #5 in games played as a Giant with 1721 , Bill Terry

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
      And I didn't even mention Bobby Bonds.
      You're getting too good at this.

      "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post

        Sure. White was a really good second baseman. My only point was that White was the best player to come out of the Royals Academy and White as a hitter was mediocre. The Royals Academy was never able to develop an elite hitter.



        .
        Oh, absolutely. My wife and I always spend a week over the holidays at my parents house. I sometimes reread old books while there. In Charlie Lau's hitting .300 book, a great book, Lau mentions the academy. He talks about how difficult it was for these great athletes to learn to hit. I'm really not big on the whole 'he is a great athlete and he will learn to hit' idea. From what I have seen, that rarely happens. I will add that just because someone is a 99.99th percentile athlete in terms of speed and strength does NOT mean they have that level of hand eye coordination. If someone has 99.99th percentile strength and speed but 97th percentile hand eye coordination there is a limit to how great of a hitter they will be.

        Christian Okoye started playing football at age 20, or something. He had such incredible strength and speed that he was able to lead the NFL in rushing despite his late start. I don't see someone starting to play baseball at age 20 and leading the league in ops+ at age 28. Hitting a baseball requires both great natural ability and lots of practice. Having one without the other will not get you anywhere.

        I know about Ron Leflore, and what he did is remarkable, but he was never an elite hitter. I do wonder if he played pick-up baseball growing up. Back in Yogi Berra's day kids payed sandlot ball, my guess is that Leflore did not do much of that in Detroit, but I don't know for sure. What I am saying is that I know he played organized baseball for the first time in prison in his early 20's, but I don't know for sure that he didn't play non-organized baseball before that.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by JR Hart View Post

          ???

          That surprises me. It looked pretty good on the football field.
          Yeah, that seems odd to me too.

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          • #20
            From ESPN...

            Inside Kyler Murray's football-vs.-baseball decision
            Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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            • #21
              Not just the A's, but MLB, is going to great lengths to persuade Murray to play baseball. Reports are he now wants $15 million from the A's, more than three times what he was paid to sign with them. If he declares for the NFL draft, which he must do by tomorrow, he could be the first player in history to be drafted in the first round by both sports.

              https://sports.yahoo.com/report-mlb-...233341120.html

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              • #22
                he'll choose football despite his size. the heart wants what the heart wants.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by pedrosrotatorcuff View Post
                  he'll choose football despite his size. the heart wants what the heart wants.
                  Guess the heart wants non-guaranteed contracts and traumatic brain injury.
                  "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post

                    Guess the heart wants non-guaranteed contracts and traumatic brain injury.
                    I was curious about Murray's major. His major is "Human Relations".

                    http://www.ou.edu/admissions/academi...uman-relations
                    Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post

                      I was curious about Murray's major. His major is "Human Relations".

                      http://www.ou.edu/admissions/academi...uman-relations
                      "The Human Relations program in the College of Arts and Sciences provides students with marketable skills in this multidisciplinary field of study and professional practice, which promotes social justice, enhanced social relationships, human diversity, advocacy, inclusiveness and critical thinking."

                      Code words for teaching socialism. That'll work well when he goes to the NFL and has his salary capped by an awful collective bargaining agreement that the players actively petitioned for. A rookie salary cap, lol. What a bunch of morons. Pro football has more idiots than any profession outside Wal Mart. Actually pro football players are probably dumber than Wal Mart employees.
                      "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post

                        I was curious about Murray's major. His major is "Human Relations".

                        http://www.ou.edu/admissions/academi...uman-relations
                        I can probably count on two hands the number of NFL players who graduated with "real" degrees AND actually retained the information they were taught on the subject. Steve Young, J.D. comes to mind.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by pedrosrotatorcuff View Post

                          I can probably count on two hands the number of NFL players who graduated with "real" degrees AND actually retained the information they were taught on the subject. Steve Young, J.D. comes to mind.
                          I remember watching a feature on Lamar Jackson when he was at Louisville and he almost definitely can't read at higher than a 6th grade level. I was friends with a track athlete in college and he told me that one of our safeties that eventually got drafted and played 4-5 years in the NFL literally could not read. I said "What do you mean he can't read?" He said "The ***** can't read for real bro."
                          "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post

                            I remember watching a feature on Lamar Jackson when he was at Louisville and he almost definitely can't read at higher than a 6th grade level. I was friends with a track athlete in college and he told me that one of our safeties that eventually got drafted and played 4-5 years in the NFL literally could not read. I said "What do you mean he can't read?" He said "The ***** can't read for real bro."
                            You probably don't remember Dexter Manley who played back in the 1980's. He graduated from college and was illiterate. It's well known that at major college football powerhouses the majority of players are not real students. They are enrolled in cupcake majors and have a slew of tutors to keep them eligible. Cheating is still rampant despite what the NCAA says. Kyler Murray's major seems fairly serious. He has to take classes in physical science, mathematics, biological science, statistics, American Government, three foreign language courses, two Western Civilization and Culture classes, several English and writing courses. Though, the major and support courses seem like clear identity politics types of classes. According to the Oklahoma website Murray was an Academic All-America in 2017.

                            I wonder about college baseball players? My Giants drafted Joey Bart of out Georgia Tech in 2018. His major was Business Administration.
                            Last edited by Honus Wagner Rules; 01-15-2019, 12:25 PM.
                            Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                            • #29
                              ^and NBA players are arguably even worse. American college athletes in general get the easiest ride on the planet to degrees that they "earn" with grade-school-level classes (whose grades are fudged half the time anyway) and BS (and I don't mean Bachelor of Science) degrees.

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                              • #30
                                Of course the shame is that they are 18-20 years old when they get ot college and spent 12= years in some form of school, the first five or so of which don't really have organized sports.

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