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  • A new record might be set this year

    Ryne Stanek is on pace to start more than 40 games this year and not sniff 100 innings, maybe as few as 75. He could start 40+ and appear in 60+.

    What is the most starts a pitcher has ever made with 0 complete games?

  • #2
    Originally posted by wes_kahn View Post

    What is the most starts a pitcher has ever made with 0 complete games?
    Steve Bedrosian, 1985, with 37 starts and no Complete Games.
    My top 10 players:

    1. Babe Ruth
    2. Barry Bonds
    3. Ty Cobb
    4. Ted Williams
    5. Willie Mays
    6. Alex Rodriguez
    7. Hank Aaron
    8. Honus Wagner
    9. Lou Gehrig
    10. Mickey Mantle

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    • #3
      Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post

      Steve Bedrosian, 1985, with 37 starts and no Complete Games.
      Yep. One of the most hare-brained pitcher schemes in Braves history. The manager, Eddie Haas, thought that the team's best reliever, Bedrosian, should be a starter because that's what you did when he played in the 1950s. Bedrosian was made to pitch 206 2/3 innings and had a 3.83 ERA thanks to 13 unearned runs. And you know the sad thing? That was the second or third-best ERA on the starting staff.
      46 wins to match last year's total

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      • #4
        Stanek is still setting a blistering pace. He's on pace for 67 games and 46 starts with a whopping 91 2/3 innings pitched and 0 wins obviously. He's got an ERA+ of 160, so I expect this to be copied by other teams if it continues to help the Rays keep pace with the Yankees.

        I watched a college freshman throw 130+ pitches last night, pitching a no-hitter, striking out 19 and striking out the side in the 9th inning. He also struck out 4 batters in another inning. His fastball was still at the same speed after pitch 120, and his curve was actually deadlier in the final couple of innings.

        The different philosophies between college and Majors are interesting.

        1. What if the MLB teams used 7-man rotations, where starters pitched by day of the week and threw up to 130 pitches in their 25 starts? Many years ago, the Majors had Sunday pitchers, usually an aging veteran. Ted Lyons started at completed every game one year, all being Sunday starts. He was over 40, and he won the league ERA title that year. IIRC, the Yankees tried this briefly in the 1970's, and the Reds did too. They were 6-men rotations and not 7, but with days off in parts of the schedules, it became a same day of the week thing for a couple weeks.

        2. What about this possibility. A 12-man pitching staff with 4 pitchers pitching in 3-day rotations. Pitchers 1,2,3,and 4 pitch one day, then 5, 6, 7, and 8 pitch the next day, and then 9,10,11, and 12 pitch the next day. Then, it starts over with 1,2,3,4.

        Using this system, a pitch count of 50 would be placed on each pitcher, and the manager could choose how to use them based on leverage and other considerations. Say, an opponent has all right-handed batters in their 1-5 spots in the batting order with a left-handed batter hitting 6th. The lefty hits .300 against righties and .150 against lefties. So, the opposing manager could start a righty for the first 5 batters and bring in the lefty to pitch to batter #6.

        A team would need 3 ace relievers to use in the highest leverage situations on each day, but so many teams already have 3 excellent relievers. For example, the Yankees can make Aroldis Chapman their Group 1 ace; Adam Ottavino their Group 2 ace; and Tommy Kahnle their group 3 ace. Add the current starting rotation into the mix as the guys that pitch closer to 50 pitches, and their effectiveness might improve as well, especially J.A. Happ.

        I also wonder if at some point, the MLB rules for winning pitchers will change so that the starting pitcher does not need to throw any minimum of innings, just like any other pitcher from the 5th inning on. Why punish the starter for maybe pitching 4 innings and then allow a reliever to pitch to one batter to end the 5th and pick up a win? The time for that has long since passed. Ryne Stanek could be poised to win 30 games if this rule were abolished. When pitchers used to win 30 games in the years prior to Denny McLain, they were simply the best pitchers then pitching typical seasons that other pitchers also pitched. Grover Alexander, Walter Johnson, and Christy Mathewson would be pitching 5-6 innings every 5th day if they were pitching today, maybe actually be relief pitchers on some teams.

        It is obvious that today's MLB star pitcher is more athletic than the star pitcher of 100 years ago, just like today's world class mile runners can basically sprint a mile, whereas 100 years ago, the milers ran times a little slower than today's high school track stars. So, it is only fair that somebody like Aroldis Chapman would get a chance to start 40 games, pitch 42 innings and maybe win 25-35 games. I bet Chapman throws harder than Johnson and Grove. I have seen him live, and I saw Sandy Koufax and Sam McDowell throw live. Chapman is faster. Had he pitched 60 years ago, he might start 40 games, complete 25, pitch 300+ innings, strike out 350+ batters and win 25 games a year.

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        • #5
          The Angel's use a 6 man rotation when Ohtani is healthy. One start a week with the day off.

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