Brian McNamee allegedly gave Clemens' wife Debbie HGH before SI shoot in 2003

[Mattingly]

Brian McNamee *ALLEGEDLY* HAS given HGH to Debbie Clemens prior to their SI Swimsuit shoot. From what I'm hearing on the newsradio, it was at Roger's instructions.

Let's not get too crazy about the picture, since I'm only using it as it's become a topic of discussion here. I'm unsure if it's worthy of a new thread, but I'm creating one anyway. It was the February 2003 Swimsuit Issue, and other jocks, such as the NFL's Herschel Walker, and the NBA's Reggie Miller, etc, had posed with their wives, and all of the wives wore bikinis.



Source: Brian McNamee testified Roger Clemens' wife took HGH

Brian McNamee told congressional investigators Thursday that Roger Clemens’ wife used human growth hormone, according to a source with knowledge of McNamee's testimony.

The source said McNamee injected Debbie Clemens with growth hormone and believed she took the drug to get in shape before she appeared with the pitcher in Sports Illustrated's swimsuit issue in 2003. She appeared with her husband in a photograph taken in Central Park in the magazine’s Feb. 18, 2003 issue wearing a bikini and holding a bat over her shoulders while Roger Clemens reclined on the ground in his Yankee uniform.

"McNamee discussed his wife's use before the committee," according to the source. "She was trying to get in shape for the SI cover. He told them the story that Debbie took growth."

McNamee testified that he injected her at Roger Clemens' direction, according to the source. McNamee was speaking under oath before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, which will hold a hearing on the Mitchell Report on steroid use in baseball Wednesday.

Clemens' attorneys, asked for reaction to the story, which was first reported on the Daily News Web site, expressed disdain for McNamee's claims.

"Did Roger get the Cy Young before his wife took the HGH?" asked Lanny Breuer, one of Clemens' lawyers.

"I tell you what, guys," said Rusty Hardin, another of Clemens' attorneys. "This guy never ceases to amaze me. I think it reveals what he's really about. First, he throws out waste and then he wants to talk about this."

Hardin was referring to the release Thursday by McNamee's lawyers of two photographs showing needles, vials and bloody gauze McNamee says contain Clemens' blood and DNA mixed with steroids and human growth hormone. McNamee, who turned the evidence over to federal investigators last month, said he had saved the material since 2001.

McNamee's attorneys, Richard Emery, Earl Ward and Mark Paoletta, said Friday they have not discussed or released their client's testimony and will not do so.

"The issue is Roger Clemens and his use of steroids and why he's not telling the truth," Emery said. "The issue is not Debbie Clemens."

[Imgran]

Just when you think they're making headway into the world of credible reportage, the NYDN has to pull this.

I would expect to see this stuff on Scrappleface. I mean, come on, injecting HGH "just before" an event does nothing. HGH isn't spinach, and Debbie isn't Popeye.

What's really disgusting about all this is that I honestly can't tell whether this benighted paper is serious or is trying to mask a parody or satire on the whole steroids suspicion thing.

[Mattingly]

Hopefully, Imgran, this thread isn't a total waste of space. Either the idea is too far-fetched, or McNamee will either confirm or deny he'd done this.

Debbie Clemens has always looked very much in shape, so other than an extra month of hard training at the gym before appearing on camera, I have no idea why any HGH would be needed. However, let's hope that the circus doesn't come with all 3 rings and that the hi-wire act doesn't become too bizarre.

[Williamsburg2599]

The New York Daily News presents..... TALES FROM THE SOURCE! (dramatic music)


If it's true, it's one of the funniest things that's come out of this mess, but when I heard "the source" I almost puked. Is this the same one that the media that the Red Sox were "hours away" from a Santana deal? IF this is true, then McNamee is going to need some solid proof. And how much before? I have no clue how fast HGH works, but this article makes it sound like it has that Popeye and spinach effect.

[Brian McKenna]

Just more coals on the fire. Does everyone still believe Clemens' complete and absolute unfamiliarity with the juice?

[Imgran]

Just more coals on the fire. Does everyone still believe Clemens' complete and absolute unfamiliarity with the juice?

C'mon man, I don't believe this article for one minute and I think Rajah is guilty as sin.

[rockin500]

Just more coals on the fire. Does everyone still believe Clemens' complete and absolute unfamiliarity with the juice?

this isnt a coal on the fire. this is just garbage.

next we will be reading that he had his sons all injected at the ripe ages of like 6 years old.

edit: BTW, matt, i remember that issue. pretty good issue if i must say so myself.

[Imgran]

This crosses a line, folks. I'm actually pretty mad at the NYDN for this one. Rip into the ball player all you want to but leave his wife the hell alone.

[Mattingly]

This crosses a line, folks. I'm actually pretty mad at the NYDN for this one. Rip into the ball player all you want to but leave his wife the hell alone.

I'm not too sure I'd "kill the messenger" on this. If it's a current topic and it's been alleged, I don't see anything wrong with running with the story. If Brian McNamee did in fact make those allegations to the DC Congressmen, then how is it the Daily News' fault for this?

Of course, if it becomes as atrocious as Albert Pujols being erroneously named in the whole Mitchell Report before the names actually became public, then I'd definitely find fault.

Newsday, a Long Island & Queens publication, has also run with the story:



Source: McNamee said Clemens' wife took HGH

Brian McNamee told congressional lawyers during his deposition Thursday that he injected Roger Clemens' wife, Debbie, with human growth hormone, according to a source with knowledge of McNamee's testimony.

McNamee said he injected Clemens' wife once in her stomach in 2002 in the master bedroom of their Houston estate, sources said. Clemens' wife is a fitness instructor and has a Web site devoted to the topic.

While Clemens and his wife had discussed her taking HGH, she was reluctant to have a man not her husband inject her in the stomach, according to McNamee, sources said. HGH is considered most effective when injected into the stomach.

EDIT: The NY Times is also running with the story, so I'm beginning to doubt McNamee's people somewhat on this, though I can't say that Clemens is fully innocent either.

The Times article:


Daniel Rosenbaum for The New York Times
Roger Clemens after meeting Friday with Representative Edolphus Towns, a Democrat who represesents
Brooklyn, center, with Clemens’s lawyer Rusty Hardin.

Clemens Campaigns as His Wife Is Named

WASHINGTON — Roger Clemens met privately with seven more members of Congress on Friday, completing a two-day sweep of nearly half of the members of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform who will hear his sworn testimony Wednesday.

One of the congressmen, Edolphus Towns, a Democrat who represents Brooklyn, gave the most complete account yet of what Clemens has been saying in the closed-door meetings. Towns said he came away believing that it was Clemens’s accuser, Brian McNamee, who might ultimately be charged with perjury.

The good tidings did not stop there. Denise Mixon, Towns’s deputy chief of staff, happily had her picture taken with one of the most decorated pitchers in baseball history, with Clemens placing his arm over her shoulder and flashing a big smile.

It was one of a number of souvenir moments involving Clemens in the last two days, although a Clemens spokesman said he did not know if any of the 19 members of Congress with whom Clemens had met had actually asked for an autograph.

But for Clemens and his lawyers, there was still plenty of turbulence in the Capitol. Information emerged that McNamee, Clemens’s former trainer, had stated in a sworn deposition Thursday that he not only injected Clemens with steroids and human-growth hormone but had also injected Clemens’s wife, Debbie, with H.G.H., at Clemens’s request.

In the deposition, which was made behind closed doors with lawyers for the committee, McNamee said he injected Debbie Clemens with H.G.H. in late 2002 or early 2003, a person with knowledge of the matter, insisting on anonymity, told reporters. McNamee had previously told federal investigators the same thing, the person said.

Clemens’s camp reacted angrily to the public disclosure without specifically denying it. “This shows what kind of person we’re dealing with,” Clemens’s lawyer Rusty Hardin said.

McNamee’s own lawyers said the disclosure was unauthorized and did not come from them. “I said I didn’t want to discuss matters that were part of yesterday’s testimony, so I really can’t confirm that,” the lawyer Richard Emery said. “I won’t deny it, but I won’t confirm it.”

[Old Sweater]

Well fans, I think that the market for HGH will hit a ceiling today and go right through the roof if husbands or wifes thinks that HGH will give you a body like Debbie's at the age of 39 after having 4 kids.

People are probably knocking at the pushers doors as I speak.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

I'm not too sure I'd "kill the messenger" on this. If it's a current topic and it's been alleged, I don't see anything wrong with running with the story. [B]If Brian McNamee did in fact make those allegations to the DC Congressmen, then how is it the Daily News' fault for this[/URL]

I feel the same way, why go after the Daily News, they didn't make the statement McNamee did or so we heard.

As far as the story goes, don't know why McNamee would let it out. We can call him a clown or a low life for bringing Debbie into the picture but on the other hand he may be just trying to make the point that Roger is not as innocent as he proclaims to be, he even directed me (McNamee) to inject his wife.

I don't know about the board but if it turns out that McNamee did make the statement I believe him even though it has no bearing on the charges Clemens faces.

Lets use some common sense, why would he just make up a story like this and then tell it....................under oath.

[Mattingly]

Well fans, I think that the market for HGH will hit a ceiling today and go right through the roof if husbands or wifes thinks that HGH will give you a body like Debbie's at the age of 39 after having 4 kids.

People are probably knocking at the pushers doors as I speak.

But ... but ... but ... did she have any peak years at an advanced age (after age 35)?

[MyDogSparty]

First Clemens and now his wife? This stuff just crossed a line in which it's so crazy that it's impossible to make this stuff up.

[Dalkowski110]

This is just plain wrong on so many levels and in so many respects I can't even begin to start listing them...it's awful in short, and again, this from a guy who thinks Clemens was a juicer!

[MyDogSparty]

But ... but ... but ... did she have any peak years at an advanced age (after age 35)?

Yes, her stats show 2 clear peaks in that time frame. (sorry couldn't resist.)