Democrats for McNamee, Republicans for Clemens???

[zahavasdad]

Has anyone noticed this, Democrats seem to believe McNamee and Republicans seem to believe Clemens.

[Brian McKenna]

Not sure, but I wanted to ask the ones that were so blatantly pro-Clemens, "How much smooge time did they spent with Clemens last week."

It just shows the complete sleeze nature of Congress that some invite Clemens in for one-on-one touchy-feely - probably autograph swapping - sessions the week before a hearing.

[hudsonharden]

What if you think both of them are scum, does that make you a Liberterian?

[whoisonit]

What if you think both of them are scum, does that make you a Liberterian?

Means your honest.

[Doctor X]

Indeed.

"Libertarian" means you think things like the IRS are a "matter of opinion."

By numbers, yes, more Reps slathered over Clemens than Dems. However, there were a few Dems who did--like that brainless woman suggesting he will go to heaven! The thing is you had one like Burton who is a buffoon make a loud and pathetic exhibition of himself. There was one prominent Rep who basically came out and stated that Clemens was lying, and the Ranking Member muttered the same thing.

I will admit I wanted McNamee to ask one guy if he got an autograph from Clemens so he could then respond, "well, shame on you!"

--J.D.

[whoisonit]

I will admit I wanted McNamee to ask one guy if he got an autograph from Clemens so he could then respond, "well, shame on you!"

--J.D.

Mmmm. That would have been enjoyable.

I believe a Libitarian holds the IRS to be unconstitutional.

[Doctor X]

Mmmm. That would have been enjoyable.

Probably would have earned him a contempt of Congress citation, but it would have been good theater!

I believe a Libitarian holds the IRS to be unconstitutional.

Unfortunately, a Constitutional amendment and a literal ton of case and statutary law--and a whole lot of federal agents--hold differently. Not to turn this into a political debate, but one of the leaders of the actual party could only mutter "wouldn't it be interesting if it was?" to the question on IRS constitutionality.

Well . . . "wouldn't it be interesting" if I was Nicole Kidman's Snuggle-Bunny! Reality does not work that way . . . unfortunately!

Right! The Republican outspoken against Clemens is Mark Souder.

--J.D.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

I wondered if Roger was sitting on the wrong side of the room.
He used tactics that the very people that were questioning him, the politicians often use.

When asked some questions he showed he could filibuster with the best of them. Long winded speeches at times even going back to childhood. At times completely off the subject the question he was asked...........where the heck is he going with this one I'm thinking.

Confronted with conflicting statements he made and the words of others the topper Andy Pettite's in particular...............I did not say that Andy "misheard". Every one else is lying or they heard wrong, I'm the only one you should believe.

I wanted to believe him but using common sense how could I. He was taking a beating, where is Mariano Rivera when I need him.

[tommybaseball]

Has anyone noticed this, Democrats seem to believe McNamee and Republicans seem to believe Clemens.

Has anyone noticed this, that as much as we are supposed to keep politics and religion out of this board, in regard to this particular situation, Houdini wouldn't be able to do it.
Baseball is Life!

[Captain Cold Nose]

I'm not Houdini, but I can remove posts that stray off topic too far.

Keep the political discussion to nothing more than simple observation, please, everyone.

[zahavasdad]

The Republicans Like Chris Shays were calling McNamee a Drug Dealer while the Democrats Like Henry Waxman said Clemens lying was boosted by Petittes and Knobloch's testimony.

Conservative Talk show hosts are comparing Clemens to the Duke Lacrosse team.

I agree BOTH are wrong, But all evidence cleary (in my view) points to Clemens being guilty even if McNamee IS a DRUG DEALER

[Doctor X]

As another poster observed well on the other thread, if McNamee is a DRUG DEALER [Boo. Hiss.--Ed.] then Clemens, his wife, Pettite, et al. are DRUG USERS.

Fallacies cut both ways, Congressman Shays.

--J.D.

[whoisonit]

Talk show hosts are comparing Clemens to the Duke Lacrosse team.

As if those poor kids haven't suffered enough !

[digglahhh]

I agree BOTH are wrong, But all evidence cleary (in my view) points to Clemens being guilty even if McNamee IS a DRUG DEALER

Yeah. That's what I kept saying too.

You don't have to like McNamee, you can, in fact, think he's scum. That doesn't mitigate any of Clemens' actions. In fact, one could argue it even a reflection of Clemens's character and/or ability to (mis)judge the character of others. After all, this "scum" is a man who was employed and embraced by Clemens for many years. Birds of a feather, right...

McNamee has been given immunity for the illegality of his actions in return for his cooperation, no? So what relevance does it have here? Character? Oh, how I would love Joe Congressman to make accusations about my character... I know more about you than you do about me...

I got really giddy for a minute though. When the whole thing about being a drug dealer, and "that's your opinion" went down, I was really hoping McNamee would bust out some crazy monologue like Johnny Depp in Blow or Nino Brown in New Jack City. That could have been the best moment in television history!

[tommybaseball]

I'm not Houdini, but I can remove posts that stray off topic too far.

Keep the political discussion to nothing more than simple observation, please, everyone.

CCN, if you didn't observe what was going on with the Republicans and Democrats yesterday as far as which side each political party were taking, then I'm not sure what you were watching yesterday or if you saw something you didn't want to see or believe.
As much as I didn't want to believe it when I took my then, eight year old son to Shea Stadium one afternoon to see Mark McGwire hit a shot off of the scoreboard, breaking a few light bulbs in the process, I was forced to eventually face this fact: McGwire cheated. Bonds cheated. Sosa cheated. PED's ruined everything about baseball that I believed in, especially that it was on the level. And now we know that it's not.
And we know because of common sense, not because we don't have a positive test.
The ugly truth that we saw yesterday was the chalky white foul line blurring between baseball and politics.
And the political parties showed their cards for the entire nation to see.
Maybe this will be the next great chapter after the discrimination that existed until 1947 where baseball plays a prominent roll in cleaning up hypocrisy in our country.
It could be an ugly "bloodbath" (whether or not it holds up in court, those needles are going to show Clemens blood mixed with steroids.) but wasn't it Thomas Jefferson who once wrote:
The game of baseball must be refreshed from time to time, by exposing the tainted blood of hypocrits who claim to be patriots but are really cheaters."
I don't know, something like that.....

You know what I hope comes out of all of this? That I can go to the ballpark again one day with my nine year old son (the other one is 17 now!) and feel confident that the game is clean.
But I guess that's just my audacity of hope.
Baseball is Life!