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  • What's with Lohse?

    Pitchers and catchers have already reported and the "best free agent pitcher" () is still unsigned. He's going to be on the 2012 HoF ballot unless Boras lets up on his demands.

    Is no team really this desperate?
    "I'm happy for [Edwin Encarnacion] because this guy bleeds internally, big-time" -Dusty Baker

    "If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it on the scoreboard?" -Jeff Francoeur

    "At the end of the day, the sun comes up and I still have a job" -Joba Chamberlain

  • #2
    I wouldn't sign Kyle Lohse. Ever.

    It still baffles my mind how, after 2004 in which he posted a 5.34 ERA and allowed 240 hits in just 190 innings pitched, he brought the Twins to arbitration and won. I don't understand how such below-average numbers can warrant a 600% pay raise. He's one Twin I was actually glad to see leave.

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    • #3
      Boras should start looking a job for Lohse in Japan.
      “I see great things in baseball.”
      Walt Whitman

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      • #4
        If, after plenty of tries, he was deemed not good enough for the REDS' rotation, that should tell you something. He should go hang out with Joe Mays, wherever he is.
        :radio Please check out my collection of vintage baseball recordings:

        http://www.oldtimesports.net/users/AWilliams

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        • #5
          reason

          2 words...

          Scott

          Boras.

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          • #6
            He could catch on with Tampa, maybe.
            (fantasy football)
            JM: Only did that for a couple of years and then we had a conspiracy so it kind of turned me sour. Our league's commissioner, Lew Ford(notes) at the time, was doing some shady things that ... I'd rather not talk about [laughs].
            DB: Isn't he in Japan right now?
            JM: I don't know where Lou is right now. He's probably fleeing the authorities [laughs].

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            • #7
              His name has come up in Cardinals Camp. Matt Clement will not be ready by opening day. So it's either sigh Lohse, or a guy like him, or move Wellmeyer to the #5 spot. I'll take Wellmeyer, to be honest.
              "Herman Franks to Sal Yvars to Bobby Thomson. Ralph Branca to Bobby Thomson to Helen Rita... cue Russ Hodges."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by insanefishpossay View Post
                I wouldn't sign Kyle Lohse. Ever.

                It still baffles my mind how, after 2004 in which he posted a 5.34 ERA and allowed 240 hits in just 190 innings pitched, he brought the Twins to arbitration and won. I don't understand how such below-average numbers can warrant a 600% pay raise. He's one Twin I was actually glad to see leave.

                Quite simply, because of service time. It counts more than performance. Another insanity in the economics of baseball.
                :cap:

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                • #9
                  http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t...cid=1136017663

                  CLEARWATER, Fla. -- Kyle Lohse wakes up early most mornings for daily maintenance, a combination of regimented weight lifting and aerobic exercises.

                  When not in the gym four or five times a week, Lohse pitches to various friends in neighborhood tree-lined parks and may soon continue this regimen at Glendale Junior College, not far from his Scottsdale, Ariz., home.

                  Either way, it's a ways off from mounds on crisply tailored diamonds at Spring Training complexes. Lohse keeps this up out of personal discipline, and in anticipation of a career opportunity he hoped would've long arrived by now.

                  "I've been throwing sides to stay ready," Lohse said, by phone from Scottsdale. "I do what I need to do to stay healthy, and feel like I'll be able to jump right into Spring Training somewhere."

                  If only someone would call. After going 3-0 in 11 starts for the Phillies last season and helping them earn a playoff berth, the 29-year-old is in the weird spot of being unemployed.

                  Despite posting a 63-74 career record with a 4.82 ERA -- and more importantly, never spending a day on the disabled list -- Lohse finds himself at an unexpected crossroads. It's believed that his agent, Scott Boras, who also has unemployed clients in Jeff Weaver and Corey Patterson, has asked for too much.

                  "I think Kyle is going to be very good, because he's one of the few guys that are in that batch of 27- to 28-year-old arms," Boras said on Sept. 14, when possibilities seemed endless. "There's not that many guys that fall into that class. The other thing about Kyle is he's been durable and he's pitched in the playoffs. He has a resume a lot of teams will look at because he's been successful."

                  So what happened?

                  "I don't know," Lohse said. "I really don't. I'm not to the point, yet, where I'm really frustrated. I like being out there with the guys and I still feel I will be soon enough. Sure, it's been a while since I was home this late in February, and being on my own is weird. I'm still trying to find a good fit. We have some options and I feel like something will work out."

                  A market flush with cash may have burst when Carlos Silva -- a comparable pitcher to Lohse -- landed a four-year, $48 million contract from Seattle, though that may have sent shivers through the industry. Lohse remained patient, perhaps hoping for a similar offer.

                  Rumors linked him to many teams, including the Mets, Nationals, Orioles and Phillies. Lohse said he would still welcome a return to Philadelphia, but the Phillies didn't like his salary demands after they were shunned in what was believed to have been an offer in the three-year, $20-million range. Of course, that could change if Brad Lidge's right knee is serious, and Brett Myers shifts back to the bullpen.

                  That led to further speculation that his asking price was too high, a claim Lohse said isn't true.

                  "I'm not asking for the world," he said. "I never was. The market has been so weird this offseason. I'm surprised with the way things have gone, but I want to do what's right for my family.

                  "Looking at it from the perspective of not having spent a day on the DL, I know there are teams that would like to have that. I'm still in a position where I think I'm a good option for a lot of teams."

                  Lohse said he hasn't considered playing on another continent and isn't interested in signing a Minor League deal. He declined to discuss specifics. He maintained his sense of humor and said he hasn't begun searching for beer-league softball games.

                  "Maybe Little League," he said.

                  That sense of humor has allowed Lohse to keep his perspective.

                  "I don't miss covering first base 20 times a day," Lohse said, referring to pitcher's fielding drills. "That's one of the few pluses. I can go to the park now and do some dry work and try to remember where first base is. I'll throw an imaginary pitch and cover first. Then I will have gone crazy."

                  Crazy? No. Bored and surprised? Absolutely. While he jokes about not missing the monotony of Spring Training mornings, he longs for it. He can't escape the irony of living so close to one of the many Spring Training locations throughout his home state.

                  "Obviously, at this point, some of the options are gone, but we're trying to get things done without rushing into it," Lohse said. "I have a couple of things that are out there. I'm not sitting around feeling sorry for myself. I'm still going to get paid to play a game. At some point, I'll be OK. It's not like I'm at the end of my rope trying to hang on. I'm trying to find a match that is right for me."

                  "I'll admit that it's tough to stay busy and trying to not drive my wife crazy. She's ready for me to get out of here and go find a job."
                  "I'm happy for [Edwin Encarnacion] because this guy bleeds internally, big-time" -Dusty Baker

                  "If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it on the scoreboard?" -Jeff Francoeur

                  "At the end of the day, the sun comes up and I still have a job" -Joba Chamberlain

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by plask_stirlac View Post
                    He could catch on with Tampa, maybe.
                    No way, Tampa Bay actually might have a legit pitching staff this year. Scott Kazmir as the ace. James Shields isn't too far behind. Matt Garza should turn into a fine pitcher.

                    I think what should happens is the New York Yankees should immediately sign Lohse to a four year $40 million contract, just so we can all shake our heads and ask why the guy who signed Jaret Wright, Carl Pavano, Jason Giambi and Steve Karsay to almost $200 million dollars worth of combined contracts is getting a contract extension?!
                    “I see great things in baseball.”
                    Walt Whitman

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                    • #11
                      Baltimore?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by baseball junkie View Post
                        Scott Kazmir as the ace. James Shields isn't too far behind.
                        I would take James Shields over Scott Kazmir anyday.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Imgran View Post
                          Baltimore?
                          Pittsburgh?
                          :radio Please check out my collection of vintage baseball recordings:

                          http://www.oldtimesports.net/users/AWilliams

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by slugger33 View Post
                            I would take James Shields over Scott Kazmir anyday.
                            Sorry... you'd take a kid who had one good year over the reigning AL strikeout king???

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Imgran View Post
                              Sorry... you'd take a kid who had one good year over the reigning AL strikeout king???
                              You are correct.

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