2008 Mvp/cy/roy

[mendoza line]

al mvp- miggy, det, 330ba-35hr-130rbi-130r
nl mvp- beltran, ny, 280-35-120-110r-25sb
al roy- longoria, tb, 285-20-80
nl roy- fukudome, chi, 295-20-85-10sb
al cy- verlander, det, 20-6, 3.2era, 190k
nl cy- santana, ny, 19-6, 2.9era, 230k

[Imgran]

If Miggy hits only 35 HR's there's no way he's the AL MVP.

AL MVP: Carlos Pena, 1B .280-50HR's-110RBI
NL MVP: Prince Fielder, 1B, .310-50-140
AL ROY: Brandon Wood, SS .270-25-110
NL ROY: Jair Jurrjens, 15-6, 3.50 ERA, 170IP, 140K/50BB
AL CY: James Shields, 16-14, 3.25 ERA, 230IP, 200K/60BB
NL CY: Carlos Zambrano, 21-6, 3.10ERA, 210IP, 210K/100BB

[SamtheBravesFan]

If Miggy hits only 35 HR's there's no way he's the AL MVP.

AL MVP: Carlos Pena, 1B .280-50HR's-110RBI
NL MVP: Prince Fielder, 1B, .310-50-140
AL ROY: Brandon Wood, SS .270-25-110
NL ROY: Jair Jurrjens, 15-6, 3.50 ERA, 170IP, 140K/50BB
AL CY: James Shields, 16-14, 3.25 ERA, 230IP, 200K/60BB
NL CY: Carlos Zambrano, 21-6, 3.10ERA, 210IP, 210K/100BB

Wow, I wish I could have that much confidece out of the gate with Jurrjens. What makes you think he'll do so well?

[Imgran]

Great command, for one thing. He's never walked more than about 2.8 batters per 9 at any level. Also I've seen him in action -- his stuff is badly underestimated -- he can hit the mid 90's with his fastball with good command, he's got good offspeed stuff, and he's winning baseball games in the American League at age 21. I also liked what I saw of Jurrjens' makeup. The game I saw him play was a tough loss against division rival Cleveland and he wasn't fazed by it even though he was thrown into the game without a ton of advanced warning.

I thought at the time that the Tigers probably got the worst of the Renteria for Jurrjens deal. He should be at least as good as Ian Kennedy, especially moving to the NL, and that puts him in the conversation seeing as he's rookie eligible. That and Gallardo's used up his eligibility, I don't feel it from Homer Bailey, and I don't see the 2008 NL rookie class for hitters as excessively deep beyond Jay Bruce and Chase Headley. This is definitely a year where if a good young pitcher shows up he might get it.

I was more or less being random but I really think Jurrjens has an outside shot.

[holyroman]

al mvp- miggy, det, 330ba-35hr-130rbi-130r
nl mvp- beltran, ny, 280-35-120-110r-25sb
al roy- longoria, tb, 285-20-80
nl roy- fukudome, chi, 295-20-85-10sb
al cy- verlander, det, 20-6, 3.2era, 190k
nl cy- santana, ny, 19-6, 2.9era, 230k

Beltran's numbers wouldn't be good enough either for NL MVP

[mendoza line]

so 130 rbi and 130 runs and the best team in the al wont get it done? also pena? really? who gonna protect him? delmon young is gone, upton is in the 3 slot now. but you guys are right...beltran wont win it unless they win 105 games... which i think they will.

[SamtheBravesFan]

Great command, for one thing. He's never walked more than about 2.8 batters per 9 at any level. Also I've seen him in action -- his stuff is badly underestimated -- he can hit the mid 90's with his fastball with good command, he's got good offspeed stuff, and he's winning baseball games in the American League at age 21. I also liked what I saw of Jurrjens' makeup. The game I saw him play was a tough loss against division rival Cleveland and he wasn't fazed by it even though he was thrown into the game without a ton of advanced warning.

I thought at the time that the Tigers probably got the worst of the Renteria for Jurrjens deal. He should be at least as good as Ian Kennedy, especially moving to the NL, and that puts him in the conversation seeing as he's rookie eligible. That and Gallardo's used up his eligibility, I don't feel it from Homer Bailey, and I don't see the 2008 NL rookie class for hitters as excessively deep beyond Jay Bruce and Chase Headley. This is definitely a year where if a good young pitcher shows up he might get it.

I was more or less being random but I really think Jurrjens has an outside shot.

Well, I'm glad to know that. Us Braves fans have figured that Jurrjens needs another year in AAA, but with the way he's just wowing people in spring training and the situation with James and Hampton, he might make it into the rotation right out of the gate.

[mendoza line]

just for a point of reference, rollins won the mvp with 30 hrs, and ichiro had 8 hrs when he won it.

[SamtheBravesFan]

just for a point of reference, rollins won the mvp with 30 hrs, and ichiro had 8 hrs when he won it.

Winning the MVP usually has to do with the team that you're on these days unless your season is so freaking good.

[Imgran]

just for a point of reference, rollins won the mvp with 30 hrs, and ichiro had 8 hrs when he won it.

Rollins also plays in a prime position. and backed it up with 40 stolen bases and 200 hits, both very serious MVP numbers. Ichiro is just plain overrated, but he's never won MVP. He did win rookie of the year at the tender age of 27 (don't get me started...) but the criteria for ROY is much shallower and the merit of the winner is pretty variable anyway. Past winners include Eric Hinske and Angel Berroa.

[Old Sweater]

Rollins also plays in a prime position. and backed it up with 40 stolen bases and 200 hits, both very serious MVP numbers. Ichiro is just plain overrated, but he's never won MVP. He did win rookie of the year at the tender age of 27 (don't get me started...) but the criteria for ROY is much shallower and the merit of the winner is pretty variable anyway. Past winners include Eric Hinske and Angel Berroa.

Ichiro Suzuki also nosed out Jason Giambi for the MVP in 2001.

[Imgran]

I imagine Giambi was miffed. I imagine Bret Boone was even moreso seeing as he hit for nearly as much average as Ichiro, got on base only a bit less, only scored about 9 less runs and hit 37 HR's to Ichiro's 8.

[Old Sweater]

I imagine Giambi was miffed. I imagine Bret Boone was even moreso seeing as he hit for nearly as much average as Ichiro, got on base only a bit less, only scored about 9 less runs and hit 37 HR's to Ichiro's 8.

Not to mention RBI's

Boone/141
Giambi/120
Ichiro/69


MVP=MVPPP=Most Valuable Popular Player with Press.


BBWAA voters can pick any criteria that they want for the awards. Jimmy Rollins wins the MVP last year and they say it was because of his overall play compared to Holliday(who BTW had the best paper LF D stats) and the value of the SS position. Ryan Braun wins the ROY ove Tulowitzki????? The guy was a butcher at 3rd with 26 error's in 3/4 of a season. Completely different criteria for 2 different awards????

[BoSox Rule]

AL
MVP Miguel Cabrera
Cy Young Scott Kazmir
ROY Daric Barton

NL
MVP Albert Pujols
Cy Young Jake Peavy
ROY Chase Headley

[digglahhh]

BBWAA voters can pick any criteria that they want for the awards. Jimmy Rollins wins the MVP last year and they say it was because of his overall play compared to Holliday(who BTW had the best paper LF D stats) and the value of the SS position. Ryan Braun wins the ROY ove Tulowitzki????? The guy was a butcher at 3rd with 26 error's in 3/4 of a season. Completely different criteria for 2 different awards????

Personally, I thought there were only two legit choices for NL MVP last year, Wright and Holliday. The ESPN hype machine got it going for Rollins early though.

Tulo and Braun both had good cases, it takes a bit of in-depth statistical analysis to see how close the two cases are though. The case was just too complicated for Tulo to resonate, but at the same time, Braun had a very strong case as well, so it's not like it was some horrible miscalculation. The MVP choice is egregious, the ROY choice would have been understandable either way.